#028 Bryan Gohl - Red Light Therapy Exposed

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Welcome to the VP Life podcast, the show

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where we bring you actual

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health advice from leading minds.

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I'm your host, Rob.

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My guest today is Brian Gull, an

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ex-carpenter turned health enthusiast.

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Brian is on a mission to educate people

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on how red light therapy can help improve

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mitochondrial function and

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support health and wellness.

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Expect to learn the differences between

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red and near-infrared light, why red

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light therapy isn't a replacement for

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sunlight, and how red light works to

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support your mitochondria.

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Now, on to the

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conversation with Brian Gull.

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Good morning, Brian, and

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thank you for joining us.

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I've been wanting to have someone in this

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space now who's an expert on red light

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therapy for a while, so I'm excited to

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have this conversation.

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In all honesty, I've not yet woken up,

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and I'm honestly abusing the living

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daylights of my identity and receptors

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with a bunch of caffeine.

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So while that kicks in, would you be so

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kind as to introduce

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yourself to the audience?

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I may have stalked you a little on your

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website and Instagram in

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preparation for this podcast.

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And yeah, I know you subsequently have a

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bit of a story there.

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So yeah, I'll hand the floor over to you,

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and we can go from there.

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Bryan Gohl

Of course, Rob.

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Thank you so much for inviting me and

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having me on, of course.

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Always happy to have a chat.

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Yeah, so my name is Brian, and I am one

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of the co-founders of a company in the

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UK, based in the UK,

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called Red Light Rising.

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And we specialize in red light therapy

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devices of all sorts of shapes and sizes

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for all sorts of budgets, but also for

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all sorts of health benefits as well.

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Perfect.

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And specifically, what led you to sort of

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get into this field of red lights?

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Obviously, it's part of the biohacking

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community at the

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moment, which is exploding.

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But you could have gone in

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any number of directions.

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It could have been called

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tubs, called thermogenesis.

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You could have gotten into supplements.

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What specifically sort of fueled your

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desire to get into red light?

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Well, it was exactly that.

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I've always been kind of exploring health

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and wellness just as a personal interest.

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You know, unfortunately, my parents were

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pretty sick growing up.

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We had a very normal lifestyle, standard

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Western diet, eating a

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lot of processed food.

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And I just kind of started becoming aware

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of, at quite a young age, what you do

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actually affects your health, which is

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something that, even to this day, it

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blows my mind that there's so many people

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that can still engage in unhealthy

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habits, even with all the information

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that we have about what makes you

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unhealthy and still

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choose to do those habits.

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So I was just, for whatever reason, kind

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of obsessed with health and wellness.

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I was working in another career.

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I was a trained carpenter.

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So I was working away on building sites

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and building furniture and

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doing whatever else you do.

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All the while, I was listening to

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podcasts and audio books about health.

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And just self-educating.

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And then I discovered Bulletproof Coffee,

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Dave Asprey, The High Fat Diet.

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And Dave Asprey was actually the first

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person that exposed me to this practice

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or this subculture called biohacking,

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where it's mostly very scientific-based

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practices that you can

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choose to do that make you better.

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And like you mentioned in our

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conversation offline, there's certain

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things that start to trend in the

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zeitgeist, along social media.

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For example, we've just come through the

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ice bath trend, where everybody and his

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uncle was suddenly getting into ice

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therapy or cold water therapy.

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That's an example of biohacking.

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So you temporarily jump in

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an ice bath and you freeze.

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But what you're forcing your biology to

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do is to become more robust, to become

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stronger, to become healthier.

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And then therefore, the long-term effect

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of you taking the ice

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bath makes you healthier.

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That's hormetic stress.

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Hormetic stress, exactly.

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So I was very interested in that stuff.

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I've been going to the gym for a couple

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of decades at that point.

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So I was very familiar with the sauna.

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Most gyms have a sauna.

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So I knew it was healthy.

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And that's also another trending biohack,

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getting into saunas.

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And then there's intermittent fasting and

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the high-fat diet or the carnivore diet.

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And then part of that family of biohacks

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that Dave Asprey used to talk about back

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in the day was red-like therapy.

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Now, I had got to a point in my own

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journey where I was taking saunas

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whenever I could at the gym.

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I was taking cold showers or jumping in a

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cold river whenever I could.

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I was fasting very often.

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I was on a low-carb diet.

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So I was kind of starting to do all the

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things that I was learning about.

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And then it was time

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for red-like therapy.

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This was like late: 2016

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And you just couldn't get red-like

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therapy in the UK at that point.

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Your only option was to bring

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something in from the States.

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And that was just crazy expensive.

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So I carried on learning about red-like

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therapy anyway, because it turns out

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there's thousands and thousands of

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scientific research papers about red-like

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therapy showing how it works, why it

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works, what it can be useful for.

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So logically, I was convinced.

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Intellectually, I was convinced of the

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science, of the protocol.

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And then myself and my business partner,

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James, we decided, well,

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we know so much about it.

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Now let's try and build something.

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Let's research what the power has to be,

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what the size has to be, what kind of

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wavelengths we can get.

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And we teamed up with

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some electrical engineers.

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And together, we built our first few

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panels back in: 2017

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I got one.

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James got one.

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And a couple of other friends had one.

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And just kind of thought nothing of it

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and went on with our day.

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Started using red-like therapy every day.

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And that was actually

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around December in: 2017

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I was living in London.

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And I was depressed.

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I was hating my job.

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It was coming to a point where I was

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like, something massive has to change.

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Like, I can't continue to live like this.

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I didn't want to be in the UK, because

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the weather had just beat me to a pulp.

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Like, I was depressed and

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miserable and cold all the time.

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I was living in London, absolute chaos,

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such a busy city, doing carpentry, which

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I was becoming acutely aware

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was not good for my health.

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Not only are you breathing in the dust

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and the fumes and the chemicals, but

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sometimes you can be bent over all day on

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your hands and knees

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crawling around doing stuff.

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The noise, it was just a

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very unhealthy career path.

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And I needed something to change.

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And I'd been using my first red-like

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therapy panel for about

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two weeks at that point.

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And suddenly, one day, I

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realized I was happy again.

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I was cheerful.

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I was walking down the

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road and I felt amazing.

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And I was like, could

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this be the red-like therapy?

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Because one of the benefits of red-like

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therapy is mood optimization or hormonal

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optimization, the feel-good hormones.

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I was like, oh my

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gosh, is it working for me?

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I feel amazing.

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I feel happy.

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And soon after that, I started tracking

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my sleep and I noticed my

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sleep was getting better.

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I started noticing that all the cuts and

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the scrapes that I had on my hands from

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being a carpenter were healing up so much

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faster than they normally would.

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My hands weren't constantly in pain.

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And that's when I personally realized,

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I'm like, oh my gosh, like everything

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I've been reading about with red-like

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therapy, like it's working.

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It's working for me.

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Contacted James and a

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couple of the other guys.

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And I said, well, how's the panel going?

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How are you doing?

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And everybody said they love it.

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You know, everybody was getting slightly

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different benefits, but

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everybody said they loved it.

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And that's when James and I decided like,

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okay, you know, red-like

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therapy is definitely a thing.

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Let's make a red-like therapy for the UK.

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And that's where

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red-like rising was born.

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Yeah, well, that's an amazing story.

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Thank you for that.

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And it's great to hear that you didn't

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just sort of do what so many companies

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do, which is to sort of hop onto Alibaba

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and or the other team or whatever they're

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called and just find an existing panel.

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The fact that you are able to sort of

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engineer it from scratch and actually

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design something from the ground up, it

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speaks to your sort of, well, your ethics

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as a business owner, of course, but also

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your ability to create

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something that undoubtedly works.

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So to just, while we're on that topic,

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what makes red-like rising panels

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different from other panels on the market?

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I mean, since: 2017

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has definitely exploded.

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And there are a number of brands out

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there now with

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pricing all over the place.

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I mean, yours, to be honest, is still,

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relatively speaking, affordable.

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I mean, you get panels out there that

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cost thousands and thousands and

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thousands, where yours still seem to be,

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yeah, that happy medium as it were.

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At a panel level, what makes your

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products different from

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what else is out there?

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Well, back in the day, it was really

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difficult to make

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red-like therapy products.

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You mentioned Alibaba and Timu, when we

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started red-like therapy, there were

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almost no

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manufacturers of red-like therapy.

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Obviously, there was two companies in the

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States that already existed, and they have their manufacturers in China.

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We also manufacture in China. Now everybody does.

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Of course.

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But back then, there was no way, you

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couldn't buy red-like therapy of Alibaba.

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It didn't exist.

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So it was really difficult to make

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powerful panels, because you had to get

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very certain parts for the inside, very

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certain kinds of LEDs,

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very certain kinds of drivers.

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But now, because the scene has exploded

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so much, of course, there's probably at

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least 30 factories now in China, that

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have the ability to make

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red-like therapy products.

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And from the ones that I've seen, most of

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them are very good now.

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So the technical--

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that's actually what I tell people.

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They're like, well,

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which company is reputable?

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Which one should I buy from?

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Which one is the best?

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And the truth of the matter is, if you're

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looking at the top five brands, including

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my own, when you do a web search, any of

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those brands are going to have panels that are good enough, in terms of the way that they're going to be.

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And they're going to have panels that are

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good enough, in terms of power,

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the wavelengths, and the actual dose of

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light you're going to get.

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Because it's easier to make them now,

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everybody-- or most people

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are making good products.

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But what sets ours apart right now is, we

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have the most state-of-the-art panels on

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the market right now.

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It won't be like that for long, because

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as soon as someone makes something great,

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everybody else copies it.

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And then that's what's been

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happening to us since day one.

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We're back in the top spot now.

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But before the end of the year, I'm sure

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we're going to be copied.

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But basically, our newest panels, the

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Advantage panels, they

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have five wavelengths.

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Three of them are near infrared light,

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and two of them are red light.

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There's nothing terribly special about

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that, because other

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companies have the same thing.

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Bryan Gohl

We have a beautiful touchscreen, which

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makes it really easy to use.

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Because red light therapy, on the

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surface, when you first get into it, it

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seems awfully

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complicated and overwhelming.

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And then you go on Reddit, and you go on

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the forums, whatever,

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and you try to understand.

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Everybody's got a

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slightly different opinion.

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Everybody's saying something slightly

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different, so it's very confusing.

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So what I wanted to do, what I needed to

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do, was to make red light

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therapy as easy as possible to use.

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Bryan Gohl

Even if you know nothing about it, you

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should be able to switch it on and get a

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good dose of red light for your needs,

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whatever they may be.

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And so with that in mind, I created what

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I call six smart modes, or six

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pre-programmed modes.

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So basically, when you look at the

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control panel, or the remote, because

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there is a remote as well, which is

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another advancement.

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But when you look at the control panel or

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the remote, there's six different

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programs you can choose from.

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Face and eyes, joint care, sports

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performance, wellness and

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mood, all over skin, and sleep.

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So the layman, someone who doesn't have

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hours and hours to research all the

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different nuances of how to use red light

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therapy, you just press the button, the

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device will automatically set the

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intensity and the wavelength to the most

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optimal that we know of so

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far, according to the science.

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It'll even tell you where to stand.

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You just press go and it automatically

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times and doses your session, and you

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don't have to think at all.

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So that is the most advanced state of red

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light therapy right now.

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But like I say, I'm sure over the next

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couple of months, there's

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going to be more advancements.

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Technology is always moving forward.

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So it's pretty exciting.

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Bryan Gohl

I hope that answers the question there.

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Rob

Oh, yeah, no, definitely.

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Rob

And then just to sort of jump back on

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Rob

from onto the sort of the

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Rob

biohacking wagon for a second.

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Rob

I don't know what your thoughts are on

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Rob

EMF and non-native EMFs.

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Rob

There's a lot of sounds on both.

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Rob

And we recently had Tristan Scott on the

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Rob

podcast from Daylight Computer to sort of

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Rob

give us a fairly deep dive into that.

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Rob

Do you manufacture your panels taking

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Rob

EMFs into consideration?

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Rob

Do you personally think it's an issue?

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Rob

Of course, if you don't

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Rob

believe it is, that's fine.

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Rob

Again, like I said, it's a large amount

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Rob

of speculation as to

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Rob

whether they're an issue or not.

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Rob

So yeah, I'd love to sort of just get

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Rob

your thoughts there and

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Rob

whether or not your panels

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Rob

do have a sort of a low

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Rob

EMF or low ELF reading.

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Bryan Gohl

Yeah, so I definitely believe in EMFs and

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Bryan Gohl

I definitely believe in potential

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detrimental effects of

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non-native EMFs, especially.

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Bryan Gohl

And we are always working to decrease the

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EMFs on our products.

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Bryan Gohl

But there's only so much you can do

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because the very nature of electricity

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flowing through wires and moving parts in

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an electrical product creates EMFs.

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So there's only so much you can do.

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Bryan Gohl

So we are actually engaged with someone,

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a professional firm right now to help us

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redesign all our panels to

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Bryan Gohl

try and get the EMFs lower.

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Bryan Gohl

They are already quite low.

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Bryan Gohl

And the thing is with EMFs, they abide by

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the inverse square law.

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Bryan Gohl

So if you're touching the panel, that's

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the highest amount of EMFs that you're

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going to be in contact with.

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But as soon as you go an inch away, it's

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slashed by like 10 times.

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Then you go two inches away and it's

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slashed by 100 times.

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Bryan Gohl

So technically speaking, you can use red

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Bryan Gohl

light therapy in a

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non-native EMF free scenario.

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Rob

Yeah, no, of course.

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Rob

And that makes total sense.

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Rob

And I mean, we're in

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Rob

the supplement space.

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Rob

And obviously, we have to use certain

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Rob

amount of excipients in our products.

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Rob

We just do otherwise the machines aren't

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Rob

able to necessarily

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Rob

produce the products effectively.

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Rob

Now we use natural excipients

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Rob

when we do have to use them.

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Rob

And a lot of our products

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Rob

don't contain excipients.

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Rob

My thinking there or what I'm trying to

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Rob

get to is the fact that sometimes there

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Rob

just has to be a concession made.

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Rob

Otherwise, you can't take the supplement.

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Rob

You can't use the technology.

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Rob

And yeah, it just goes to show again that

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Rob

it doesn't not that it goes to show

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Rob

anything, but that yeah, ultimately, I

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Rob

suppose it's a given take.

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Rob

And the fact that you are going to the

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Rob

degrees and the steps that you are to

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Rob

ensure that these panels are as low EMF

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Rob

as possible is admirable.

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Rob

So thank you for that.

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Rob

That was refreshing.

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Rob

I've spoken to a lot of yeah, suppliers

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Rob

of these products in recent months.

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Rob

And most of them have, well,

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Rob

not most and that's not true.

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Rob

But one or two of them has sent me

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Rob

reports showing that their products admit

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Rob

absolutely no EMFs at all, which is, I

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Rob

think, almost unbelievable.

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Rob

I don't think that they are shielded

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Rob

products to the point where they're

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Rob

actually blocking all the dirty

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Rob

electricity that is coming off them.

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Rob

So yeah, I think that's,

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Rob

like I said, admirable.

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Rob

And thank you for that.

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Bryan Gohl

Yeah, just to finish off on that.

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Bryan Gohl

So I was explaining that, yes, our

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products do have EMFs.

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Our battery operated products are zero

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EMF because it's a completely different

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: 00:17:32

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kind of electricity.

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Bryan Gohl

Battery operated.

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Bryan Gohl

So there's, you know, for the people that

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are very concerned about EMFs, there's

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the battery operated

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devices which are zero.

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Bryan Gohl

Now,

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I hate to be a tittle tail, but I know at

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least one or two major red light therapy

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brands that flat lie about the EMFs.

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: 00:17:55

Bryan Gohl

Okay, and I've seen it

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myself on their website.

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And this is how you can tell

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if someone's lying about EMFs.

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: 00:18:00

Bryan Gohl

Okay.

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Bryan Gohl

On the website, it says zero EMF,

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but it doesn't tell you what distance.

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Bryan Gohl

Because as I was describing before,

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distance is crucially important with EMF.

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Bryan Gohl

So if we disregard the distance

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measurement at all, then I could also lie

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and say on my website, zero EMF, red

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Bryan Gohl

light therapy, absolutely zero EMF.

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Because if you stand on the other side of

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the room and you measure

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it, of course, it's zero EMF.

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Bryan Gohl

I mean, even if you stand half a meter

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away, it's zero EMF.

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: 00:18:34

Bryan Gohl

So the standard is for no particular

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reason, the standard is to measure six

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inches from the device and then, you

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Bryan Gohl

know, talk about your EMFs at that level.

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: 00:18:43

Bryan Gohl

But I would just like for people to be

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aware because that's major brands that

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Bryan Gohl

sponsor all the major influences to sell

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: 00:18:49

Bryan Gohl

their product and

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Bryan Gohl

then lie about the EMFs.

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: 00:18:52

Bryan Gohl

They lie.

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: 00:18:53

Bryan Gohl

They don't emit information.

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Bryan Gohl

They don't make a mistake.

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: 00:18:55

Bryan Gohl

They flat out lie.

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Bryan Gohl

And then when they've been caught on

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: 00:18:58

Bryan Gohl

social media, they just don't care

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: 00:19:00

Bryan Gohl

because they've got millions and millions

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Bryan Gohl

of people exposed to these influences

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: 00:19:04

Bryan Gohl

saying, oh, I use their product.

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: 00:19:06

Bryan Gohl

It's the best.

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: 00:19:08

Bryan Gohl

And then just the last thing

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Bryan Gohl

I'd like to say on the EMFs.

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Bryan Gohl

Even though I've acknowledged the EMFs in

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Bryan Gohl

red light therapy, I

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Bryan Gohl

don't think it's a problem.

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Bryan Gohl

Because right now I have, I mean, this is

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Bryan Gohl

something I need to change.

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Bryan Gohl

I have a Bluetooth keyboard, which has

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: 00:19:22

Bryan Gohl

got EMFs far worse than

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: 00:19:24

Bryan Gohl

red light therapy products.

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: 00:19:25

Bryan Gohl

I have a Bluetooth mouse far worse than

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: 00:19:28

Bryan Gohl

red light and I have a screen.

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: 00:19:29

Bryan Gohl

I have a lamp here.

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: 00:19:31

Bryan Gohl

I have my laptop charging.

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: 00:19:32

Bryan Gohl

I have a walking treadmill underneath me.

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: 00:19:35

Bryan Gohl

I'm absorbing more EMFs now than I ever

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: 00:19:37

Bryan Gohl

would be standing in front of my red

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: 00:19:39

Bryan Gohl

light therapy device.

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: 00:19:41

Bryan Gohl

And the red light therapy device actually

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: 00:19:43

Bryan Gohl

helps heal your body, whereas all this

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: 00:19:46

Bryan Gohl

other stuff doesn't.

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Rob

Yeah, I couldn't agree more again.

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: 00:19:50

Rob

And thank you for that.

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: 00:19:52

Rob

Again, it makes total sense.

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: 00:19:53

Rob

And I suppose I'm not surprised by what

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: 00:19:57

Rob

you said about some

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: 00:19:58

Rob

of these major brands.

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: 00:19:59

Rob

I suppose at the end of the day, they've

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: 00:20:01

Rob

got this size where, you know, one or

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: 00:20:04

Rob

two, sort of bad post probably actually

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: 00:20:06

Rob

doesn't affect their bottom line.

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: 00:20:09

Rob

Obviously, I'm sure you know the issues

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: 00:20:11

Rob

that Element, the electrolyte brand

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: 00:20:15

Rob

recently had with the findings of

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: 00:20:17

Rob

maltodextrin in their product.

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: 00:20:19

Rob

Now, personally, sort of with my

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: 00:20:22

Rob

background being chemistry, I

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: 00:20:24

Rob

don't think that's an issue.

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: 00:20:26

Rob

But the fact that they will sort of

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: 00:20:28

Rob

essentially and I feel that Rob Wuth, who

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: 00:20:32

Rob

obviously co-ins the brand is reputable

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: 00:20:34

Rob

and honest enough to not necessarily

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: 00:20:38

Rob

have, yeah, done that knowingly.

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: 00:20:42

Rob

My point there again is that they were

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: 00:20:44

Rob

essentially able to sweep it under the

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: 00:20:46

Rob

rug, even though it made so there was a

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: 00:20:48

Rob

bit of a song and dance about it purely

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: 00:20:50

Rob

because of the size of their brand.

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: 00:20:52

Rob

I still think it's a good product.

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: 00:20:55

Rob

But yeah, it just shows ultimately that

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: 00:20:57

Rob

when you have a business or brand that's

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: 00:20:59

Rob

big enough, you can sort of cut corners

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: 00:21:04

Rob

and get away with it,

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: 00:21:05

Rob

which is sadly true.

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: 00:21:08

Rob

But yeah.

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: 00:21:11

Rob

And again, just with regards to the EMF

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: 00:21:13

Rob

thing, I couldn't agree more.

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: 00:21:15

Rob

And again, the crossovers with our

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: 00:21:16

Rob

business are interesting.

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: 00:21:19

Rob

We occasionally get people who are mown

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: 00:21:21

Rob

again about excipients, but then I sort

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: 00:21:23

Rob

of get back and say, "Well, are you still

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: 00:21:25

Rob

drinking tap water?"

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: 00:21:27

Rob

Because you sort of have bigger worries

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: 00:21:28

Rob

than excipients, the micro amounts of

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: 00:21:31

Rob

excipients in your supplement.

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: 00:21:33

Rob

If you are still drinking tap water, if

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: 00:21:35

Rob

you are still eating pesticide-laden

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: 00:21:37

Rob

food, let's sort of worry about the big

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: 00:21:40

Rob

needle movers and then you can worry

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: 00:21:42

Rob

about the excipients when you have

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: 00:21:43

Rob

everything else under control.

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: 00:21:45

Rob

So yeah, I understand

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: 00:21:47

Rob

completely what you're saying.

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: 00:21:48

Bryan Gohl

I mean, I think we share a

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: 00:21:50

Bryan Gohl

common niche, a common audience.

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: 00:21:53

Bryan Gohl

People that are going out and buying

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: 00:21:56

Bryan Gohl

specialist supplements or

612

: 00:21:57

Bryan Gohl

specialist health technology,

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: 00:22:01

Bryan Gohl

they like to know what

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: 00:22:02

Bryan Gohl

they need to worry about.

615

: 00:22:05

Bryan Gohl

So they like to worry about the red light

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: 00:22:08

Bryan Gohl

therapy because they want to be as

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: 00:22:09

Bryan Gohl

healthy as possible, but then they'll put

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: 00:22:11

Bryan Gohl

their Bluetooth headphones in or they'll

619

: 00:22:13

Bryan Gohl

put their phone in their pocket or

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: 00:22:15

Bryan Gohl

they'll put their phone in their bra and

621

: 00:22:17

Bryan Gohl

all the other things.

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: 00:22:19

Bryan Gohl

And it's just a bit, it's

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: 00:22:20

Bryan Gohl

just a bit past backwards.

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: 00:22:22

Rob

Yeah, it is a bit, but

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: 00:22:23

Rob

that's the nature of people.

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: 00:22:24

Rob

They want to quick fix.

627

: 00:22:25

Rob

Nobody really wants to sort of focus on

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: 00:22:27

Rob

the stuff that actually matters, which is

629

: 00:22:30

Rob

all the basics that aren't fun, that

630

: 00:22:33

Rob

aren't sexy, sleep, just exposure to

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: 00:22:36

Rob

sunlight, et cetera.

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: 00:22:38

Rob

Anyway,

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: 00:22:39

Rob

well, that was tangent and a half.

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: 00:22:41

Rob

Thank you for that.

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: 00:22:42

Rob

That was actually a great way to start

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: 00:22:43

Rob

the conversation, but I reckon we should

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: 00:22:45

Rob

probably get back to

638

: 00:22:47

Rob

red light specifically.

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: 00:22:49

Rob

And I think a great place to start going

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: 00:22:52

Rob

forward, of course, would be to sort of

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: 00:22:54

Rob

focus in a bit on how it works.

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Rob

And I know that may

643

: 00:22:56

Rob

sound trite, but hear me out.

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: 00:23:00

Rob

See, I reckon, yeah, like you've alluded

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Rob

to already, most people are sort of aware

646

: 00:23:05

Rob

of the surface level benefits of red

647

: 00:23:08

Rob

light therapy, that it can

648

: 00:23:09

Rob

support exercise recovery.

649

: 00:23:10

Rob

It can help with your hormones to

650

: 00:23:13

Rob

optimize testosterone

651

: 00:23:14

Rob

and things like that.

652

: 00:23:15

Rob

But very few people are aware of what's

653

: 00:23:19

Rob

sort of mechanistically going on, what's

654

: 00:23:22

Rob

driving these changes

655

: 00:23:23

Rob

at a cellular level.

656

: 00:23:25

Rob

Now I know it's got to do with something

657

: 00:23:28

Rob

called a mitochondria and a specific

658

: 00:23:31

Rob

enzyme called what cytochrome C-oxidase,

659

: 00:23:34

Rob

all of which work together to help create

660

: 00:23:36

Rob

more ATP or cellular energy.

661

: 00:23:40

Rob

Beyond that, I'm not

662

: 00:23:41

Rob

entirely sure what's going on.

663

: 00:23:43

Rob

So would you be so kind as to educate

664

: 00:23:44

Rob

both myself and the listeners on how red

665

: 00:23:47

Rob

light therapy is working?

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: 00:23:49

Bryan Gohl

Yeah, absolutely.

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: 00:23:51

Bryan Gohl

So red light therapy is something that's

668

: 00:23:55

Bryan Gohl

actually completely natural, even though

669

: 00:23:57

Bryan Gohl

you're standing in

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: 00:23:57

Bryan Gohl

front of a man-made device.

671

: 00:23:59

Bryan Gohl

But what this device is doing is it's

672

: 00:24:01

Bryan Gohl

mimicking some of the healthiest parts of

673

: 00:24:05

Bryan Gohl

the sun or some of the healthiest parts

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: 00:24:07

Bryan Gohl

of light that come from the sun.

675

: 00:24:09

Bryan Gohl

And that is the red

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: 00:24:10

Bryan Gohl

and near infrared light.

677

: 00:24:12

Bryan Gohl

Of course, we should

678

: 00:24:13

Bryan Gohl

discuss the sun at some point.

679

: 00:24:14

Bryan Gohl

The sun has a lot of

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: 00:24:15

Bryan Gohl

other benefits as well.

681

: 00:24:17

Bryan Gohl

But like you know, in the UK, it's not

682

: 00:24:20

Bryan Gohl

always easy to get a

683

: 00:24:21

Bryan Gohl

good dose of sun every day.

684

: 00:24:23

Bryan Gohl

So red light therapy fills

685

: 00:24:24

Bryan Gohl

in those gaps very, very well.

686

: 00:24:27

Bryan Gohl

And what happens is when your body is

687

: 00:24:29

Bryan Gohl

exposed to red and near infrared light,

688

: 00:24:32

Bryan Gohl

it is actually able to absorb this light,

689

: 00:24:35

Bryan Gohl

which is very unique because it cannot

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: 00:24:37

Bryan Gohl

absorb any other kinds of

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: 00:24:38

Bryan Gohl

light that come from the sun.

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: 00:24:41

Bryan Gohl

And this light can be

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: 00:24:43

Bryan Gohl

absorbed quite deeply in the body.

694

: 00:24:46

Bryan Gohl

So it turns out all the cells

695

: 00:24:48

Bryan Gohl

of our body have mitochondria.

696

: 00:24:50

Bryan Gohl

Those mitochondria are the energy

697

: 00:24:53

Bryan Gohl

producing organelles inside the cell.

698

: 00:24:56

Bryan Gohl

So it's the final process of breaking

699

: 00:24:59

Bryan Gohl

down glucose or fat and oxygen, turning

700

: 00:25:03

Bryan Gohl

it into cellular energy, which will fuel

701

: 00:25:06

Bryan Gohl

the cell, fuel the tissue, and ultimately

702

: 00:25:09

Bryan Gohl

fuel you as a human being, help you get

703

: 00:25:11

Bryan Gohl

out of bed in the morning.

704

: 00:25:13

Bryan Gohl

So red and near infrared

705

: 00:25:14

Bryan Gohl

light penetrates the body.

706

: 00:25:16

Bryan Gohl

It goes quite deep.

707

: 00:25:17

Bryan Gohl

It goes into all the cells that you shine

708

: 00:25:20

Bryan Gohl

it on in your muscles, your bones, your

709

: 00:25:23

Bryan Gohl

glands, your skin, your eyes.

710

: 00:25:25

Bryan Gohl

It even gets into your brain and it gets

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: 00:25:28

Bryan Gohl

absorbed by the mitochondria.

712

: 00:25:31

Bryan Gohl

Specifically, it gets absorbed by this

713

: 00:25:33

Bryan Gohl

photosensitive enzyme

714

: 00:25:35

Bryan Gohl

called cytochrome C oxidase.

715

: 00:25:38

Bryan Gohl

And when this enzyme absorbs the red and

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: 00:25:43

Bryan Gohl

infrared light, a

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: 00:25:44

Bryan Gohl

couple of things happen.

718

: 00:25:46

Bryan Gohl

So the first thing that it does is that

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: 00:25:48

Bryan Gohl

it causes the enzyme to force a molecule

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: 00:25:54

Bryan Gohl

of nitric oxide out of the cell.

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: 00:25:57

Bryan Gohl

And this nitric oxide

722

: 00:25:58

Bryan Gohl

goes into the blood.

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: 00:26:00

Bryan Gohl

Now nitric oxide is a vasodilator.

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: 00:26:03

Bryan Gohl

So it dilates the veins where your blood

725

: 00:26:05

Bryan Gohl

is flowing through and helps blood flow

726

: 00:26:08

Bryan Gohl

more smoothly, assist with detox and

727

: 00:26:11

Bryan Gohl

assist with nutrient delivery.

728

: 00:26:13

Bryan Gohl

So that's the first

729

: 00:26:14

Bryan Gohl

thing, it increases blood flow.

730

: 00:26:16

Bryan Gohl

Now, if you can have good blood flow all

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: 00:26:19

Bryan Gohl

over your body, you'll generally be in a

732

: 00:26:21

Bryan Gohl

pretty good state because at least your

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: 00:26:23

Bryan Gohl

tissues will be serviced with fresh

734

: 00:26:26

Bryan Gohl

oxygenated blood and the

735

: 00:26:27

Bryan Gohl

vitamins and the minerals, etc.

736

: 00:26:30

Bryan Gohl

The second thing that it does is once

737

: 00:26:32

Bryan Gohl

this nitric oxide is kicked out of the

738

: 00:26:35

Bryan Gohl

electron transport chain inside the

739

: 00:26:38

Bryan Gohl

energy production cycle, that missing

740

: 00:26:41

Bryan Gohl

molecule gets replaced by

741

: 00:26:43

Bryan Gohl

an extra molecule of oxygen.

742

: 00:26:45

Bryan Gohl

So suddenly inside the cell, it now has

743

: 00:26:48

Bryan Gohl

one extra molecule of oxygen with which

744

: 00:26:51

Bryan Gohl

to create cellular energy.

745

: 00:26:54

Bryan Gohl

So it actually becomes more efficient at

746

: 00:26:56

Bryan Gohl

creating cellular energy.

747

: 00:26:59

Bryan Gohl

And once again, when the cell has more

748

: 00:27:01

Bryan Gohl

energy, things just tend to get better.

749

: 00:27:04

Bryan Gohl

The third thing that it does is red light

750

: 00:27:06

Bryan Gohl

therapy is also an hormetic stressor,

751

: 00:27:10

Bryan Gohl

which is we briefly touched on that

752

: 00:27:12

Bryan Gohl

earlier on, sauna, cold plunge, fasting,

753

: 00:27:15

Bryan Gohl

weightlifting, all that

754

: 00:27:17

Bryan Gohl

stuff is hormetic stressor.

755

: 00:27:19

Bryan Gohl

And red light therapy is a

756

: 00:27:20

Bryan Gohl

hormetic stressor as well.

757

: 00:27:22

Bryan Gohl

And what that means is it temporarily and

758

: 00:27:25

Bryan Gohl

very minutely causes a stress on your

759

: 00:27:28

Bryan Gohl

cells and it causes the cells to release.

760

: 00:27:31

Bryan Gohl

Well, first it causes a tiny release of

761

: 00:27:34

Bryan Gohl

reactive oxygen species or free radicals.

762

: 00:27:37

Bryan Gohl

These are poisonous little molecules that

763

: 00:27:40

Bryan Gohl

are the waste product of energy

764

: 00:27:43

Bryan Gohl

production in the

765

: 00:27:44

Bryan Gohl

cell, amongst other things.

766

: 00:27:46

Bryan Gohl

It causes a tiny release of these

767

: 00:27:48

Bryan Gohl

reactive oxygen species.

768

: 00:27:50

Bryan Gohl

And then it stimulates itself to clean up

769

: 00:27:54

Bryan Gohl

all the reactive oxygen species.

770

: 00:27:57

Bryan Gohl

Now, if you have a lot of ROS or free

771

: 00:27:59

Bryan Gohl

radicals, you have a lot of inflammation.

772

: 00:28:01

Bryan Gohl

So your cells will release, thereafter

773

: 00:28:04

Bryan Gohl

release their own natural

774

: 00:28:06

Bryan Gohl

anti-inflammatories that go into the

775

: 00:28:08

Bryan Gohl

bloodstream and circulate around your

776

: 00:28:10

Bryan Gohl

body and contribute to decreasing

777

: 00:28:12

Bryan Gohl

inflammation, wherever you

778

: 00:28:14

Bryan Gohl

may have it in your body.

779

: 00:28:16

Bryan Gohl

So just to recap, first thing it does is

780

: 00:28:19

Bryan Gohl

it releases nitric oxide into the blood,

781

: 00:28:22

Bryan Gohl

increases blood flow.

782

: 00:28:24

Bryan Gohl

Number two, it stimulates an increase in

783

: 00:28:27

Bryan Gohl

cellular energy production.

784

: 00:28:28

Bryan Gohl

And number three, it stimulates an

785

: 00:28:30

Bryan Gohl

increase in the release of natural

786

: 00:28:33

Bryan Gohl

anti-inflammatories.

787

: 00:28:34

Bryan Gohl

And when you combine all of those, more

788

: 00:28:37

Bryan Gohl

blood flow, more energy, less

789

: 00:28:39

Bryan Gohl

inflammation, then that will explain why

790

: 00:28:42

Bryan Gohl

we see all these incredible changes

791

: 00:28:44

Bryan Gohl

further down the health path.

792

: 00:28:48

Rob

That was an amazing answer.

793

: 00:28:49

Rob

I couldn't have

794

: 00:28:49

Rob

structured a bit to myself.

795

: 00:28:51

Rob

And I suppose if I was going to add

796

: 00:28:53

Rob

anything, it would just be maybe a little

797

: 00:28:56

Rob

more information about the immune system

798

: 00:28:58

Rob

and how it helps to regulate some of

799

: 00:29:01

Rob

those anti-inflammatory cytokines and

800

: 00:29:05

Rob

also how it sort of epigenetically alters

801

: 00:29:09

Rob

the cells so that they start producing

802

: 00:29:12

Rob

more antioxidants through things like the

803

: 00:29:14

Rob

activation of that NRF2 pathway,

804

: 00:29:17

Rob

which I'm sure you're familiar with.

805

: 00:29:20

Rob

But beyond that, thank

806

: 00:29:22

Rob

you, that was amazing.

807

: 00:29:23

Rob

Matricondra, I think, are something that

808

: 00:29:25

Rob

I've really sort of taken a kind of deep

809

: 00:29:29

Rob

dive into in recent years, especially

810

: 00:29:32

Rob

having researched Dr.

811

: 00:29:34

Rob

Robert Naviore's sort of

812

: 00:29:35

Rob

cell dangerous response theory.

813

: 00:29:37

Rob

I'm not sure if you're familiar with it.

814

: 00:29:39

Rob

And also, I suppose more recently, Dr.

815

: 00:29:42

Rob

Jack Cruz's work, to be honest, I'm still

816

: 00:29:45

Rob

trying to figure out what he's talking

817

: 00:29:46

Rob

about most of the time.

818

: 00:29:48

Rob

But yeah, I'm adamant personally that

819

: 00:29:50

Rob

there's a connection between light cold

820

: 00:29:53

Rob

and matricondral function.

821

: 00:29:55

Rob

However, that is definitely a deeper

822

: 00:29:58

Rob

discussion for another day.

823

: 00:30:02

Rob

Brian, I know your panels, well, the

824

: 00:30:04

Rob

panel's red light

825

: 00:30:08

Rob

rising cells are used both

826

: 00:30:12

Rob

red and near infrared light, something

827

: 00:30:14

Rob

you've already touched on.

828

: 00:30:17

Rob

But yeah, I'd like it if we could just

829

: 00:30:20

Rob

maybe take a deeper dive into the

830

: 00:30:21

Rob

difference there obviously, when I think

831

: 00:30:24

Rob

a lot of people start to think about near

832

: 00:30:25

Rob

infrared light, they

833

: 00:30:27

Rob

start to think about saunas.

834

: 00:30:29

Rob

And we've had the guys from Clearlight,

835

: 00:30:31

Rob

specifically Johannes, to

836

: 00:30:32

Rob

chat about the benefits of sauna.

837

: 00:30:35

Rob

But would you sort of help sort of

838

: 00:30:37

Rob

elucidate us or elucidate on that

839

: 00:30:40

Rob

specific topic, the difference between

840

: 00:30:43

Rob

red light, near infrared light and why

841

: 00:30:46

Rob

both are important for ourselves?

842

: 00:30:49

Bryan Gohl

Yeah, so this is a great, this is a

843

: 00:30:53

Bryan Gohl

question that I asked our answer almost

844

: 00:30:55

Bryan Gohl

every day on social media or on emails.

845

: 00:30:59

Bryan Gohl

People, it's easy to get confused between

846

: 00:31:02

Bryan Gohl

red light therapy and infrared sauna.

847

: 00:31:05

Bryan Gohl

And part of the reason why it's so easy

848

: 00:31:06

Bryan Gohl

to be confused is

849

: 00:31:08

Bryan Gohl

because red light therapy

850

: 00:31:11

Bryan Gohl

uses, like you mentioned, it uses red and

851

: 00:31:14

Bryan Gohl

near infrared light.

852

: 00:31:16

Bryan Gohl

Okay, but near infrared light is a very,

853

: 00:31:18

Bryan Gohl

you know, we have to be very careful on

854

: 00:31:20

Bryan Gohl

how we speak about it, because near

855

: 00:31:22

Bryan Gohl

infrared light is a very narrow defined

856

: 00:31:25

Bryan Gohl

type of infrared light.

857

: 00:31:28

Bryan Gohl

And when it comes to infrared saunas,

858

: 00:31:30

Bryan Gohl

because it shares the same word, the

859

: 00:31:32

Bryan Gohl

technical description of an infrared

860

: 00:31:35

Bryan Gohl

sauna is using far infrared light.

861

: 00:31:38

Bryan Gohl

So near infrared and far infrared light

862

: 00:31:41

Bryan Gohl

are opposite ends of

863

: 00:31:42

Bryan Gohl

the infrared spectrum.

864

: 00:31:44

Bryan Gohl

And they have very

865

: 00:31:45

Bryan Gohl

different effects on the body.

866

: 00:31:47

Bryan Gohl

So like we touched on just then with red

867

: 00:31:49

Bryan Gohl

light therapy, red and near infrared

868

: 00:31:52

Bryan Gohl

light react in very similar ways on the

869

: 00:31:55

Bryan Gohl

body, but they do it at different levels.

870

: 00:31:58

Bryan Gohl

So what I tell people is that red light

871

: 00:32:00

Bryan Gohl

therapy generally is good for things on

872

: 00:32:02

Bryan Gohl

the outside of your body, because it

873

: 00:32:04

Bryan Gohl

doesn't go very deep, it only goes a few

874

: 00:32:06

Bryan Gohl

millimeters into the skin.

875

: 00:32:07

Bryan Gohl

So the red light is mostly good for skin.

876

: 00:32:11

Bryan Gohl

It's good for eyes.

877

: 00:32:12

Bryan Gohl

Near infrared light is good for eyes as

878

: 00:32:14

Bryan Gohl

well, but red light is

879

: 00:32:16

Bryan Gohl

most often indicated for eyes.

880

: 00:32:19

Bryan Gohl

Hair growth, mood and sleep are generally

881

: 00:32:23

Bryan Gohl

the territory of the red light.

882

: 00:32:27

Bryan Gohl

And the near infrared light acts in a

883

: 00:32:29

Bryan Gohl

very similar way, but it

884

: 00:32:30

Bryan Gohl

goes much deeper into the body.

885

: 00:32:32

Bryan Gohl

So it's the near infrared

886

: 00:32:34

Bryan Gohl

light that goes into the brain.

887

: 00:32:35

Bryan Gohl

It goes into the muscles, into the

888

: 00:32:38

Bryan Gohl

joints, into the bones.

889

: 00:32:40

Bryan Gohl

It goes much deeper into

890

: 00:32:41

Bryan Gohl

the body, into the organs.

891

: 00:32:43

Bryan Gohl

It does very similar

892

: 00:32:44

Bryan Gohl

things just on different levels.

893

: 00:32:47

Bryan Gohl

So that's how I ask people to

894

: 00:32:49

Bryan Gohl

think about red light therapy.

895

: 00:32:51

Bryan Gohl

And then if we go and talk about far

896

: 00:32:55

Bryan Gohl

infrared, which is what it's the most

897

: 00:32:57

Bryan Gohl

important type of light

898

: 00:32:58

Bryan Gohl

that they use in the saunas.

899

: 00:33:00

Bryan Gohl

Some saunas do have near infrared and mid

900

: 00:33:02

Bryan Gohl

infrared as well as far infrared, but

901

: 00:33:05

Bryan Gohl

it's the far infrared that's doing all

902

: 00:33:07

Bryan Gohl

the work because far infrared penetrates

903

: 00:33:09

Bryan Gohl

your body and it doesn't get

904

: 00:33:11

Bryan Gohl

absorbed by your mitochondria.

905

: 00:33:13

Bryan Gohl

It heats up the water around your cells.

906

: 00:33:16

Bryan Gohl

So it's heating your body from the

907

: 00:33:18

Bryan Gohl

inside, which makes you sweat and then

908

: 00:33:20

Bryan Gohl

helps you with detox and relaxation and

909

: 00:33:22

Bryan Gohl

stress relief and all of that.

910

: 00:33:24

Bryan Gohl

But it's very, very different to the near

911

: 00:33:26

Bryan Gohl

infrared light in red light therapy.

912

: 00:33:30

Rob

Yeah, I think that's why having a panel

913

: 00:33:32

Rob

or sauna or whatever modality you're

914

: 00:33:35

Rob

wishing to use, that

915

: 00:33:36

Rob

full spectrum is important.

916

: 00:33:39

Rob

Obviously, there are specific use cases

917

: 00:33:41

Rob

where you maybe just want near infrared

918

: 00:33:45

Rob

versus far infrared.

919

: 00:33:46

Rob

But for the most part, they

920

: 00:33:48

Rob

are obviously all important.

921

: 00:33:49

Rob

And I think that's often times where

922

: 00:33:50

Rob

people go wrong with sort of maybe not

923

: 00:33:54

Rob

trying to take a shortcut, but being sort

924

: 00:33:57

Rob

of laid down the garden path with

925

: 00:33:59

Rob

products that you see

926

: 00:34:00

Rob

on Amazon, for example.

927

: 00:34:01

Rob

I think a lot of people will just pick up

928

: 00:34:03

Rob

a cheap physio light and think they've

929

: 00:34:05

Rob

got their bases covered.

930

: 00:34:06

Rob

And if those products are indeed real,

931

: 00:34:10

Rob

not just a glorified sort of lens on top

932

: 00:34:13

Rob

of the actual light, they are limited by

933

: 00:34:17

Rob

the different types of

934

: 00:34:21

Rob

wavelengths that they produce.

935

: 00:34:23

Rob

I think a lot of them are just very

936

: 00:34:25

Rob

isolated to one or the other.

937

: 00:34:28

Rob

And really, I think that's not a bad

938

: 00:34:31

Rob

segue into sort of now

939

: 00:34:32

Rob

talking about natural light.

940

: 00:34:35

Rob

And I know, obviously,

941

: 00:34:36

Rob

red light has its place.

942

: 00:34:38

Rob

And as you alluded to earlier, a lot of

943

: 00:34:39

Rob

people, I think, pick up these panels

944

: 00:34:42

Rob

because they live in a country and

945

: 00:34:44

Rob

environment like the UK, where you go

946

: 00:34:46

Rob

outside and you generally

947

: 00:34:48

Rob

are depressed by default.

948

: 00:34:52

Rob

Of course, that's not to say that just

949

: 00:34:53

Rob

because it's overcast that there isn't a

950

: 00:34:56

Rob

good reason to go outside.

951

: 00:34:59

Rob

But yeah, I think without that actual

952

: 00:35:02

Rob

sunshine, it's difficult to convince

953

: 00:35:06

Rob

yourself that you're actually getting any

954

: 00:35:08

Rob

of the benefits of being outside when

955

: 00:35:10

Rob

it's gray and overcast and your serotonin

956

: 00:35:13

Rob

has plummeted to the nth degree.

957

: 00:35:16

Rob

However, would you be able to expand on

958

: 00:35:18

Rob

why natural light is as

959

: 00:35:21

Rob

important as just the red light?

960

: 00:35:24

Rob

Obviously, red light is a component of

961

: 00:35:26

Rob

natural light, but you also get your

962

: 00:35:28

Rob

other wavelengths, your other spectrums,

963

: 00:35:31

Rob

everything from ultraviolet to green

964

: 00:35:35

Rob

light, UVA, UVB, all of which serve

965

: 00:35:38

Rob

different functions in our bodies.

966

: 00:35:41

Rob

But yeah, I'll hand that over to you.

967

: 00:35:43

Rob

And I'm sure you can provide a more

968

: 00:35:45

Rob

complete answer than I can be.

969

: 00:35:47

Rob

Just why natural light is also important.

970

: 00:35:50

Bryan Gohl

So something I tell my clients as well

971

: 00:35:53

Bryan Gohl

is, you know, it's like you were talking

972

: 00:35:56

Bryan Gohl

about with your supplements, you know,

973

: 00:35:57

Bryan Gohl

people worry about the ingredients of the

974

: 00:35:58

Bryan Gohl

supplements when there's a lot more

975

: 00:36:00

Bryan Gohl

important things to worry about that you

976

: 00:36:02

Bryan Gohl

could get done first.

977

: 00:36:04

Bryan Gohl

And sunlight is that equivalent for me.

978

: 00:36:07

Bryan Gohl

So when someone comes to me and they say,

979

: 00:36:08

Bryan Gohl

"Listen, I've got XYZ symptoms.

980

: 00:36:11

Bryan Gohl

I want to try red light therapy for it."

981

: 00:36:12

Bryan Gohl

The first thing I say is, "Are you

982

: 00:36:14

Bryan Gohl

getting outside every day?

983

: 00:36:16

Bryan Gohl

Are you getting at

984

: 00:36:17

Bryan Gohl

least some sun every day?"

985

: 00:36:19

Bryan Gohl

And if you're not,

986

: 00:36:21

Bryan Gohl

that's the place to start.

987

: 00:36:23

Bryan Gohl

You know, I never I would never tell

988

: 00:36:24

Bryan Gohl

anybody, "Oh, red light

989

: 00:36:25

Bryan Gohl

therapy is better than the sun.

990

: 00:36:27

Bryan Gohl

Don't worry about the sun,

991

: 00:36:28

Bryan Gohl

you know, just buy my product."

992

: 00:36:29

Bryan Gohl

Because that's just not the truth.

993

: 00:36:31

Bryan Gohl

The number one, the most important thing

994

: 00:36:33

Bryan Gohl

is to get natural light every day, even

995

: 00:36:36

Bryan Gohl

if it's winter, even if it's gray, the

996

: 00:36:39

Bryan Gohl

intensity that comes from the sun and the

997

: 00:36:42

Bryan Gohl

spectrum of light, you

998

: 00:36:44

Bryan Gohl

cannot mimic anywhere.

999

: 00:36:46

Bryan Gohl

No matter how many different types of

: 1000

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Bryan Gohl

lights you have, you can do a reasonable

: 1001

00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:52,583

Bryan Gohl

proximity to it, but you

: 1002

00:36:52,583 --> 00:36:53,791

Bryan Gohl

can never mimic the sun.

: 1003

00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,208

Bryan Gohl

And even on a cloudy day, the amount of

: 1004

00:36:57,208 --> 00:36:59,333

Bryan Gohl

different kind of light that is

: 1005

00:36:59,333 --> 00:37:00,708

Bryan Gohl

penetrating through the clouds and

: 1006

00:37:00,708 --> 00:37:03,833

Bryan Gohl

reaching your body has just physiological

: 1007

00:37:03,833 --> 00:37:06,000

Bryan Gohl

benefits that could never be matched with

: 1008

00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,208

Bryan Gohl

a technology or a pill.

: 1009

00:37:07,833 --> 00:37:10,000

Bryan Gohl

You know, if you've got the blues and the

: 1010

00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,250

Bryan Gohl

greens, which are telling your body what

: 1011

00:37:12,250 --> 00:37:14,333

Bryan Gohl

time of day it is, you know, that blue

: 1012

00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:16,083

Bryan Gohl

and green light is going in your eyes,

: 1013

00:37:16,083 --> 00:37:17,958

Bryan Gohl

it's very specifically coded.

: 1014

00:37:18,291 --> 00:37:21,375

Bryan Gohl

So, you know, an easy way to think about

: 1015

00:37:21,375 --> 00:37:23,291

Bryan Gohl

it is that, you know, light is measured

: 1016

00:37:23,291 --> 00:37:26,625

Bryan Gohl

in nanometers and it starts from, you

: 1017

00:37:26,625 --> 00:37:27,958

Bryan Gohl

know, probably zero,

: 1018

00:37:27,958 --> 00:37:29,708

Bryan Gohl

but even maybe negative.

: 1019

00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:31,583

Bryan Gohl

And it goes all the way up

: 1020

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Bryan Gohl

to millions of nanometers.

: 1021

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Bryan Gohl

Okay.

: 1022

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Bryan Gohl

And as an example, the red spectrum is

: 1023

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Bryan Gohl

600 to 700 nanometers.

: 1024

00:37:40,125 --> 00:37:41,541

Bryan Gohl

The near infrared spectrum

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Bryan Gohl

to: 1400

: 1026

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Bryan Gohl

And then the far infrared is somewhere

: 1027

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Bryan Gohl

around the hundred

: 1028

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Bryan Gohl

thousands or the million nanometers.

: 1029

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Bryan Gohl

Okay.

: 1030

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Bryan Gohl

Now you've got every single one nanometer

: 1031

00:37:54,458 --> 00:37:56,000

Bryan Gohl

is a slightly different color.

: 1032

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Bryan Gohl

Okay.

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Bryan Gohl

And now if you can hold a spectrometer up

: 1034

00:38:00,166 --> 00:38:03,041

Bryan Gohl

to the sun, you'll see a beautiful curve

: 1035

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Bryan Gohl

of, you know, you'll see the colors of

: 1036

00:38:04,666 --> 00:38:06,541

Bryan Gohl

the rainbow depicted on a curve.

: 1037

00:38:06,958 --> 00:38:09,458

Bryan Gohl

And each one of them is slightly more

: 1038

00:38:09,458 --> 00:38:10,500

Bryan Gohl

intense than the last

: 1039

00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,083

Bryan Gohl

or slightly less intense.

: 1040

00:38:12,458 --> 00:38:15,666

Bryan Gohl

It's just this mix of color and light

: 1041

00:38:15,666 --> 00:38:17,208

Bryan Gohl

that is impossible to

: 1042

00:38:17,208 --> 00:38:19,750

Bryan Gohl

simulate with modern technology.

: 1043

00:38:20,666 --> 00:38:22,916

Bryan Gohl

And every single one of those colors and

: 1044

00:38:22,916 --> 00:38:24,833

Bryan Gohl

types of light is a message to your body.

: 1045

00:38:25,416 --> 00:38:26,708

Bryan Gohl

It's a message, you know, to your

: 1046

00:38:26,708 --> 00:38:28,666

Bryan Gohl

circadian rhythm, your sleep-wake cycle.

: 1047

00:38:29,125 --> 00:38:31,250

Bryan Gohl

It's a message to your seasonal circadian

: 1048

00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:33,250

Bryan Gohl

rhythms to tell your body, you know,

: 1049

00:38:33,250 --> 00:38:34,416

Bryan Gohl

where you are in time.

: 1050

00:38:34,458 --> 00:38:35,916

Bryan Gohl

Is it time to burn fat?

: 1051

00:38:35,916 --> 00:38:37,041

Bryan Gohl

Is it time to store fat?

: 1052

00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:39,708

Bryan Gohl

Natural light is incredibly

: 1053

00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:41,041

Bryan Gohl

important for your immunity.

: 1054

00:38:41,291 --> 00:38:44,125

Bryan Gohl

You know, the sun tells your body if

: 1055

00:38:44,125 --> 00:38:46,375

Bryan Gohl

there's a change of season coming and if

: 1056

00:38:46,375 --> 00:38:47,500

Bryan Gohl

your immunity needs to be

: 1057

00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:48,916

Bryan Gohl

ready for a change of season.

: 1058

00:38:51,375 --> 00:38:53,041

Bryan Gohl

Blood sugar, you know, natural light

: 1059

00:38:53,041 --> 00:38:54,333

Bryan Gohl

affects blood sugar.

: 1060

00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:56,041

Bryan Gohl

It affects the amount of energy that your

: 1061

00:38:56,041 --> 00:38:57,833

Bryan Gohl

cells are using and

: 1062

00:38:57,833 --> 00:38:59,375

Bryan Gohl

therefore sucking out of your blood.

: 1063

00:39:00,291 --> 00:39:01,416

Bryan Gohl

Not to mention all

: 1064

00:39:01,416 --> 00:39:02,583

Bryan Gohl

the benefits of the UV.

: 1065

00:39:02,625 --> 00:39:04,958

Bryan Gohl

You know, we need UV to have healthy

: 1066

00:39:04,958 --> 00:39:07,625

Bryan Gohl

vitamin D levels and you need healthy

: 1067

00:39:07,625 --> 00:39:09,500

Bryan Gohl

vitamin D levels to be healthy.

: 1068

00:39:09,958 --> 00:39:11,791

Bryan Gohl

You know, bone health, you know, skin

: 1069

00:39:11,791 --> 00:39:14,958

Bryan Gohl

integrity, hormonal integrity, especially

: 1070

00:39:14,958 --> 00:39:18,208

Bryan Gohl

every a lot of things rely on vitamin D.

: 1071

00:39:19,625 --> 00:39:21,916

Bryan Gohl

And the easiest and the best way to make

: 1072

00:39:21,916 --> 00:39:22,750

Bryan Gohl

sure you're ticking all

: 1073

00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:23,958

Bryan Gohl

those boxes is the sun.

: 1074

00:39:24,291 --> 00:39:26,500

Bryan Gohl

Because you get that full spectrum of

: 1075

00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:30,583

Bryan Gohl

light in a single session in 20 to 30

: 1076

00:39:30,583 --> 00:39:32,875

Bryan Gohl

minutes a day that no amount of

: 1077

00:39:32,875 --> 00:39:34,000

Bryan Gohl

technology can replace.

: 1078

00:39:35,416 --> 00:39:36,250

Bryan Gohl

Even in winter.

: 1079

00:39:37,041 --> 00:39:39,708

Bryan Gohl

So it's arguably more important in winter

: 1080

00:39:39,708 --> 00:39:42,166

Bryan Gohl

to go outside, especially if it's cold.

: 1081

00:39:42,791 --> 00:39:45,291

Bryan Gohl

Because what I'm starting to learn about

: 1082

00:39:45,291 --> 00:39:47,708

Bryan Gohl

and what I'm starting to understand is

: 1083

00:39:47,708 --> 00:39:50,916

Bryan Gohl

that when the intensity of the sun is

: 1084

00:39:50,916 --> 00:39:54,208

Bryan Gohl

lower during winter and it's colder,

: 1085

00:39:55,416 --> 00:39:59,666

Bryan Gohl

that cold thermogenesis actually creates

: 1086

00:39:59,666 --> 00:40:01,666

Bryan Gohl

near, I don't know the full story.

: 1087

00:40:01,916 --> 00:40:03,875

Bryan Gohl

I'm still learning, but it creates near

: 1088

00:40:03,875 --> 00:40:05,500

Bryan Gohl

infrared light inside your

: 1089

00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,375

Bryan Gohl

cells on the inside of you.

: 1090

00:40:08,791 --> 00:40:11,166

Bryan Gohl

So that's one of the reasons why cold

: 1091

00:40:11,166 --> 00:40:13,375

Bryan Gohl

therapy is so important because it forces

: 1092

00:40:13,375 --> 00:40:15,458

Bryan Gohl

the cells to create their own light from

: 1093

00:40:15,458 --> 00:40:17,541

Bryan Gohl

the inside and your body can use.

: 1094

00:40:17,541 --> 00:40:18,333

Bryan Gohl

The photoelectric effect.

: 1095

00:40:18,916 --> 00:40:19,291

Bryan Gohl

Exactly.

: 1096

00:40:19,541 --> 00:40:21,875

Bryan Gohl

So your body can use that light as well.

: 1097

00:40:21,916 --> 00:40:23,916

Bryan Gohl

So even though it's lacking from the sun,

: 1098

00:40:24,416 --> 00:40:25,750

Bryan Gohl

if you get cold enough,

: 1099

00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:26,916

Bryan Gohl

you will make your own.

: 1100

00:40:27,458 --> 00:40:29,500

Bryan Gohl

And that will at least

: 1101

00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:30,750

Bryan Gohl

keep your health better.

: 1102

00:40:31,208 --> 00:40:32,833

Bryan Gohl

You might not be as healthy as you could

: 1103

00:40:32,833 --> 00:40:34,750

Bryan Gohl

be in the summer when you're getting all

: 1104

00:40:34,750 --> 00:40:35,833

Bryan Gohl

that beautiful far

: 1105

00:40:35,833 --> 00:40:37,708

Bryan Gohl

infrared, the heat and the UV.

: 1106

00:40:39,166 --> 00:40:41,083

Bryan Gohl

But especially for humans in the Northern

: 1107

00:40:41,083 --> 00:40:43,125

Bryan Gohl

Hemisphere, this is the cycle that we've

: 1108

00:40:43,125 --> 00:40:44,041

Bryan Gohl

evolved with and we

: 1109

00:40:44,041 --> 00:40:45,541

Bryan Gohl

should actually stick to.

: 1110

00:40:45,791 --> 00:40:47,625

Bryan Gohl

Being hot and sweaty in the summer with

: 1111

00:40:47,625 --> 00:40:51,500

Bryan Gohl

plenty of sun and then being cold and a

: 1112

00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:54,083

Bryan Gohl

bit more huddled up, but

: 1113

00:40:54,083 --> 00:40:55,583

Bryan Gohl

still with natural light.

: 1114

00:40:55,875 --> 00:40:57,083

Bryan Gohl

It's just impossible to

: 1115

00:40:57,083 --> 00:40:58,208

Bryan Gohl

replace at this stage.

: 1116

00:40:59,291 --> 00:41:00,000

Rob

Yeah, I know it is.

: 1117

00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,666

Rob

And it just shows that you can't outsmart

: 1118

00:41:01,666 --> 00:41:02,958

Rob

nature at any level.

: 1119

00:41:02,958 --> 00:41:04,833

Rob

Maybe you can augment it to some extent,

: 1120

00:41:04,833 --> 00:41:07,750

Rob

but you definitely can't replace it.

: 1121

00:41:08,791 --> 00:41:10,583

Rob

I love that you just talked about the

: 1122

00:41:10,583 --> 00:41:11,750

Rob

photoelectric effect.

: 1123

00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:14,083

Rob

I think it's fascinating and there's a

: 1124

00:41:14,083 --> 00:41:16,541

Rob

lot of evidence there to suggest that

: 1125

00:41:16,541 --> 00:41:18,791

Rob

people who sort of, even if they are,

: 1126

00:41:18,791 --> 00:41:22,416

Rob

say, and we'll use Caucasian ethnicity as

: 1127

00:41:22,416 --> 00:41:24,291

Rob

an example, but if you are.

: 1128

00:41:25,208 --> 00:41:27,291

Rob

So, I mean, we both grew up in South

: 1129

00:41:27,291 --> 00:41:29,083

Rob

Africa, for example, but we are both of

: 1130

00:41:29,083 --> 00:41:29,833

Rob

European descent,

: 1131

00:41:30,125 --> 00:41:31,250

Rob

Caucasian European descent.

: 1132

00:41:32,458 --> 00:41:34,291

Rob

But because we grew up in a sunny

: 1133

00:41:34,291 --> 00:41:36,916

Rob

environment, our mitochondria have

: 1134

00:41:36,916 --> 00:41:39,458

Rob

developed in a way where they are now

: 1135

00:41:39,458 --> 00:41:44,750

Rob

photo electrically inclined to create

: 1136

00:41:45,791 --> 00:41:48,791

Rob

less energy than we would have had we

: 1137

00:41:48,791 --> 00:41:50,500

Rob

grown up in northern latitudes where

: 1138

00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:51,500

Rob

there is less sunshine.

: 1139

00:41:52,208 --> 00:41:55,125

Rob

So that's why, at least speculatively

: 1140

00:41:55,125 --> 00:41:58,166

Rob

speaking, so many people, even if they

: 1141

00:41:58,166 --> 00:42:00,166

Rob

are of northern European descent,

: 1142

00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:02,333

Rob

struggle more so to adapt to

: 1143

00:42:02,333 --> 00:42:04,583

Rob

a different light environment

: 1144

00:42:05,625 --> 00:42:07,541

Rob

than people who grew up in that

: 1145

00:42:07,541 --> 00:42:09,875

Rob

environment because their mitochondria

: 1146

00:42:09,875 --> 00:42:13,500

Rob

are less conditioned to, and their cells

: 1147

00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:14,666

Rob

as well, because it's not just

: 1148

00:42:14,666 --> 00:42:17,000

Rob

mitochondria, to producing those

: 1149

00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,250

Rob

different spectrums of

: 1150

00:42:18,250 --> 00:42:19,791

Rob

light when it is cold.

: 1151

00:42:20,791 --> 00:42:23,500

Rob

So, yeah, it just shows how important

: 1152

00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:25,708

Rob

environment can be, how important

: 1153

00:42:26,666 --> 00:42:29,541

Rob

electromagnetism can be as a whole.

: 1154

00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:31,666

Rob

And that's definitely something I'm not

: 1155

00:42:31,666 --> 00:42:32,833

Rob

qualified to talk about.

: 1156

00:42:33,375 --> 00:42:36,750

Rob

And it's very much going into the whole

: 1157

00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:41,375

Rob

quantum biology discussion, which is an

: 1158

00:42:41,375 --> 00:42:42,375

Rob

absolute mindfulness.

: 1159

00:42:42,625 --> 00:42:45,541

Rob

I'm sure you can attest to it.

: 1160

00:42:46,375 --> 00:42:48,833

Bryan Gohl

I mean, even the people that talk about

: 1161

00:42:48,833 --> 00:42:50,833

Bryan Gohl

quantum biology can't explain it that

: 1162

00:42:50,833 --> 00:42:52,333

Bryan Gohl

anybody else can understand it.

: 1163

00:42:52,333 --> 00:42:52,750

Bryan Gohl

So it's like...

: 1164

00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:53,833

Rob

No,

: 1165

00:42:55,333 --> 00:42:59,000

Rob

there's a great podcast out there.

: 1166

00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,458

Rob

It's called Richie Flow Nutrition.

: 1167

00:43:00,750 --> 00:43:02,458

Rob

I think it's...

: 1168

00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:03,750

Rob

What's his name?

: 1169

00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:05,416

Rob

Cameron Borg is the host.

: 1170

00:43:05,416 --> 00:43:06,500

Rob

He does an excellent job.

: 1171

00:43:06,541 --> 00:43:10,083

Rob

I think he's got a background in

: 1172

00:43:10,083 --> 00:43:13,208

Rob

pulmonology, and he's gotten into this

: 1173

00:43:13,208 --> 00:43:16,125

Rob

quantum biology field.

: 1174

00:43:17,083 --> 00:43:18,916

Rob

Tristan Scott is another excellent one

: 1175

00:43:18,916 --> 00:43:20,291

Rob

for anyone who is interested

: 1176

00:43:20,291 --> 00:43:22,125

Rob

in learning more about this.

: 1177

00:43:22,125 --> 00:43:24,125

Rob

And then, of course, there's Jack Cruz.

: 1178

00:43:25,416 --> 00:43:27,583

Rob

I think he does tend to rub people up the

: 1179

00:43:27,583 --> 00:43:28,333

Rob

wrong way and takes

: 1180

00:43:28,333 --> 00:43:30,583

Rob

some very strong opinions.

: 1181

00:43:31,166 --> 00:43:34,041

Rob

But yeah, it's definitely...

: 1182

00:43:35,666 --> 00:43:37,166

Rob

I mean, people say this all the time, but

: 1183

00:43:37,166 --> 00:43:42,541

Rob

I think it's probably the next frontier

: 1184

00:43:42,541 --> 00:43:45,583

Rob

of us understanding more about biology.

: 1185

00:43:46,458 --> 00:43:49,083

Rob

I mean, that's, like I mentioned earlier,

: 1186

00:43:49,083 --> 00:43:50,666

Rob

my backgrounds in chem, biochem

: 1187

00:43:50,666 --> 00:43:53,583

Rob

specifically, but of hours to go back and

: 1188

00:43:53,583 --> 00:43:54,708

Rob

do it all over again, I would

: 1189

00:43:54,708 --> 00:43:56,250

Rob

definitely study biophysics.

: 1190

00:43:56,291 --> 00:44:00,833

Rob

Because, yeah, unless you sort of

: 1191

00:44:00,833 --> 00:44:04,750

Rob

understand the physics behind biology,

: 1192

00:44:05,208 --> 00:44:08,458

Rob

you're going to run into a bottleneck

: 1193

00:44:08,458 --> 00:44:12,208

Rob

because you can only explain so much with

: 1194

00:44:12,208 --> 00:44:14,333

Rob

enzymes and proteins and lipids.

: 1195

00:44:16,041 --> 00:44:17,875

Rob

There has to be a point in which you

: 1196

00:44:17,875 --> 00:44:19,833

Rob

actually start to look at it from a

: 1197

00:44:19,833 --> 00:44:22,750

Rob

physical literally standpoint and what's

: 1198

00:44:22,750 --> 00:44:24,000

Rob

happening at an atomic level.

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Rob

Anyway, a discussion

: 1200

00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:27,666

Rob

for another day, perhaps.

: 1201

00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:31,625

Rob

Brian, I'd like to pivot into maybe how

: 1202

00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:33,041

Rob

red light can be supportive

: 1203

00:44:33,041 --> 00:44:35,291

Rob

of various health conditions.

: 1204

00:44:36,583 --> 00:44:39,041

Rob

Now, obviously, yeah,

: 1205

00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:41,833

Rob

supplemental red light therapy has been

: 1206

00:44:41,833 --> 00:44:44,125

Rob

around for a while now, I think.

: 1207

00:44:44,791 --> 00:44:47,125

Rob

Sort of guys like Ben Greenfield started

: 1208

00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:49,791

Rob

talking about it, we're not about 20, 14,

: 1209

00:44:49,791 --> 00:44:51,500

Rob

: 2015

: 1210

00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,791

Rob

And obviously, talking about the bigger

: 1211

00:44:55,791 --> 00:44:57,750

Rob

companies in America, who we work name.

: 1212

00:44:58,708 --> 00:45:01,250

Rob

But, yeah, it's sort of grown from there.

: 1213

00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:03,208

Rob

And it sort of got to the point where

: 1214

00:45:03,208 --> 00:45:06,166

Rob

people are now sort of shining red light

: 1215

00:45:06,166 --> 00:45:07,708

Rob

on their nether regions.

: 1216

00:45:08,166 --> 00:45:11,125

Rob

And, yeah, every surface and cell of the

: 1217

00:45:11,125 --> 00:45:12,958

Rob

body to try and elicit some change.

: 1218

00:45:14,666 --> 00:45:15,916

Rob

I'd love it if you

: 1219

00:45:15,916 --> 00:45:18,833

Rob

could expand on a few areas.

: 1220

00:45:18,833 --> 00:45:22,083

Rob

And I feel we might as well start with

: 1221

00:45:22,083 --> 00:45:23,416

Rob

hormones and testosterone.

: 1222

00:45:25,375 --> 00:45:28,125

Rob

Now, you've elucidated or you've

: 1223

00:45:28,208 --> 00:45:30,416

Rob

mentioned a lot of the mechanisms there

: 1224

00:45:30,416 --> 00:45:33,041

Rob

that support the production of, that

: 1225

00:45:33,041 --> 00:45:33,875

Rob

would support the

: 1226

00:45:33,875 --> 00:45:36,125

Rob

production of testosterone.

: 1227

00:45:36,708 --> 00:45:37,791

Rob

So things like upregulated

: 1228

00:45:37,791 --> 00:45:39,375

Rob

mitochondrial production, etc.

: 1229

00:45:40,083 --> 00:45:45,000

Rob

But are there any mechanisms or reasons

: 1230

00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,458

Rob

that red light is effective at helping to

: 1231

00:45:47,458 --> 00:45:50,375

Rob

optimize sex hormone health that maybe

: 1232

00:45:50,375 --> 00:45:51,958

Rob

we've not chatted about just yet?

: 1233

00:45:54,458 --> 00:45:54,916

Bryan Gohl

Not really.

: 1234

00:45:55,875 --> 00:45:58,625

Bryan Gohl

Because when you break it

: 1235

00:45:58,625 --> 00:46:01,375

Bryan Gohl

all down, it's all it's doing.

: 1236

00:46:01,583 --> 00:46:03,333

Bryan Gohl

And this is the important

: 1237

00:46:03,333 --> 00:46:04,833

Bryan Gohl

concept about red light therapy.

: 1238

00:46:04,833 --> 00:46:07,333

Bryan Gohl

All it's doing is upregulating, as you

: 1239

00:46:07,333 --> 00:46:08,083

Bryan Gohl

said, the mitochondrial

: 1240

00:46:08,083 --> 00:46:10,000

Bryan Gohl

activity and the cellular activity.

: 1241

00:46:10,833 --> 00:46:13,750

Bryan Gohl

So if it's that cell's job to produce sex

: 1242

00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:16,250

Bryan Gohl

hormones or that glands jobs to produce

: 1243

00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:18,500

Bryan Gohl

sex hormones, that's what it will do.

: 1244

00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:21,333

Bryan Gohl

So whether we're talking about thyroid

: 1245

00:46:21,333 --> 00:46:24,041

Bryan Gohl

health or testosterone on the testicles,

: 1246

00:46:25,125 --> 00:46:26,791

Bryan Gohl

or the feel good

: 1247

00:46:26,791 --> 00:46:28,625

Bryan Gohl

hormones of a bright sunny day,

: 1248

00:46:29,666 --> 00:46:32,916

Bryan Gohl

they all tend to be improved in whichever

: 1249

00:46:32,916 --> 00:46:35,291

Bryan Gohl

direction they need to be improved in

: 1250

00:46:35,291 --> 00:46:39,000

Bryan Gohl

once a more optimal cellular function is

: 1251

00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,458

Bryan Gohl

restored in the gland.

: 1252

00:46:42,375 --> 00:46:44,708

Bryan Gohl

So this is, you know, it might be a bit

: 1253

00:46:44,708 --> 00:46:47,416

Bryan Gohl

of a bummer to say this, but no matter

: 1254

00:46:47,416 --> 00:46:50,333

Bryan Gohl

what benefit someone asks me like, Oh,

: 1255

00:46:50,333 --> 00:46:51,750

Bryan Gohl

what about pain in my knee?

: 1256

00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:52,083

Bryan Gohl

Will it work?

: 1257

00:46:52,416 --> 00:46:52,625

Bryan Gohl

Yes.

: 1258

00:46:52,750 --> 00:46:52,958

Bryan Gohl

Yeah.

: 1259

00:46:53,541 --> 00:46:55,125

Bryan Gohl

You know, what about my sleep?

: 1260

00:46:55,125 --> 00:46:56,125

Bryan Gohl

Will it be good for my sleep?

: 1261

00:46:56,125 --> 00:46:56,333

Bryan Gohl

Yep.

: 1262

00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:56,708

Bryan Gohl

Yep.

: 1263

00:46:56,708 --> 00:46:57,125

Bryan Gohl

It'll be good.

: 1264

00:46:57,125 --> 00:46:59,250

Bryan Gohl

And the reason is, it always comes back

: 1265

00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:01,416

Bryan Gohl

to this cellular optimization,

: 1266

00:47:02,125 --> 00:47:02,541

Bryan Gohl

mitochondrial

: 1267

00:47:02,541 --> 00:47:04,958

Bryan Gohl

optimization, and less inflammation.

: 1268

00:47:05,875 --> 00:47:08,666

Bryan Gohl

Because as you know, if something, if a

: 1269

00:47:08,666 --> 00:47:11,000

Bryan Gohl

tissue is inflamed or a body's inflamed,

: 1270

00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,583

Bryan Gohl

it cannot do its job properly.

: 1271

00:47:14,416 --> 00:47:16,583

Bryan Gohl

Processes and systems start to shut down

: 1272

00:47:16,583 --> 00:47:17,291

Bryan Gohl

or they start to

: 1273

00:47:17,291 --> 00:47:19,375

Bryan Gohl

struggle to do their job.

: 1274

00:47:19,375 --> 00:47:21,041

Bryan Gohl

So health just gets worse and worse.

: 1275

00:47:21,375 --> 00:47:23,041

Bryan Gohl

But once you start to remove the

: 1276

00:47:23,041 --> 00:47:25,375

Bryan Gohl

inflammation and you know, on the one

: 1277

00:47:25,375 --> 00:47:26,625

Bryan Gohl

side, and then on the other side, you

: 1278

00:47:26,625 --> 00:47:29,083

Bryan Gohl

increase the cellular energy, regardless

: 1279

00:47:29,083 --> 00:47:30,666

Bryan Gohl

of what the tissue is, it

: 1280

00:47:30,666 --> 00:47:31,916

Bryan Gohl

starts to function better.

: 1281

00:47:32,416 --> 00:47:34,458

Bryan Gohl

And it starts to, you know,

: 1282

00:47:34,458 --> 00:47:35,583

Bryan Gohl

do what it's supposed to do.

: 1283

00:47:35,583 --> 00:47:36,833

Bryan Gohl

And it's funny, you bring up the

: 1284

00:47:36,833 --> 00:47:38,625

Bryan Gohl

testosterone thing, because I've

: 1285

00:47:38,625 --> 00:47:39,416

Bryan Gohl

obviously been hearing

: 1286

00:47:39,416 --> 00:47:40,791

Bryan Gohl

about it for years and years.

: 1287

00:47:41,416 --> 00:47:44,208

Bryan Gohl

And I finally started decided to, you

: 1288

00:47:44,208 --> 00:47:46,291

Bryan Gohl

know, properly take a deep dive on it.

: 1289

00:47:46,291 --> 00:47:47,125

Bryan Gohl

I've been researching it

: 1290

00:47:47,125 --> 00:47:48,125

Bryan Gohl

for the last few weeks.

: 1291

00:47:49,416 --> 00:47:52,541

Bryan Gohl

And trying it on myself, because I, you

: 1292

00:47:52,541 --> 00:47:55,416

Bryan Gohl

know, the problem with my job is that I'm

: 1293

00:47:55,416 --> 00:47:57,125

Bryan Gohl

constantly testing new products, because

: 1294

00:47:57,125 --> 00:47:58,958

Bryan Gohl

I have an idea, we make a new product,

: 1295

00:47:58,958 --> 00:48:00,083

Bryan Gohl

and then I'll test it for a while.

: 1296

00:48:00,833 --> 00:48:01,708

Bryan Gohl

So I've always got all these

: 1297

00:48:01,708 --> 00:48:03,375

Bryan Gohl

confounding things going on.

: 1298

00:48:03,375 --> 00:48:04,583

Bryan Gohl

So it's impossible for me

: 1299

00:48:04,583 --> 00:48:07,208

Bryan Gohl

to be the N1 for anything.

: 1300

00:48:07,208 --> 00:48:08,916

Bryan Gohl

But I've decided to commit to

: 1301

00:48:08,916 --> 00:48:11,666

Bryan Gohl

testosterone, I'm shining red light only,

: 1302

00:48:11,666 --> 00:48:12,458

Bryan Gohl

specifically on my

: 1303

00:48:12,458 --> 00:48:14,541

Bryan Gohl

testicles, every morning.

: 1304

00:48:15,916 --> 00:48:18,291

Bryan Gohl

And then doing, you know, a couple of

: 1305

00:48:18,291 --> 00:48:19,916

Bryan Gohl

achy joints from sports.

: 1306

00:48:19,916 --> 00:48:22,208

Bryan Gohl

And then in about three or four weeks,

: 1307

00:48:22,208 --> 00:48:25,375

Bryan Gohl

I'll test my testosterone again, and see

: 1308

00:48:25,375 --> 00:48:26,708

Bryan Gohl

if it's made a difference.

: 1309

00:48:26,708 --> 00:48:28,541

Bryan Gohl

It's subjectively made a difference.

: 1310

00:48:29,416 --> 00:48:29,625

Bryan Gohl

Absolutely.

: 1311

00:48:29,791 --> 00:48:32,000

Bryan Gohl

I feel, you know, different.

: 1312

00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,541

Bryan Gohl

I feel very, very different since I've

: 1313

00:48:33,541 --> 00:48:35,166

Bryan Gohl

started shining on my testicles.

: 1314

00:48:35,166 --> 00:48:37,125

Bryan Gohl

But it would be nice to see it reflected

: 1315

00:48:37,125 --> 00:48:38,333

Bryan Gohl

in the test score as well.

: 1316

00:48:39,125 --> 00:48:40,083

Rob

Yeah, I'm sure it will.

: 1317

00:48:40,791 --> 00:48:42,375

Rob

I mean, I've definitely got a few

: 1318

00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,708

Rob

hypotheses as to why it's improving

: 1319

00:48:45,708 --> 00:48:47,416

Rob

testosterone production.

: 1320

00:48:48,208 --> 00:48:49,458

Rob

Specifically, just obviously,

: 1321

00:48:50,666 --> 00:48:52,083

Rob

as you said, the mitochondria

: 1322

00:48:52,083 --> 00:48:53,083

Rob

is going to fuel everything.

: 1323

00:48:53,833 --> 00:48:56,250

Rob

But within the testicles themselves, you

: 1324

00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:58,291

Rob

obviously have latic cells that are

: 1325

00:48:58,291 --> 00:49:00,208

Rob

responsible for producing testosterone.

: 1326

00:49:01,041 --> 00:49:03,000

Rob

And again, these cells rely specifically,

: 1327

00:49:03,458 --> 00:49:06,750

Rob

as do every cell in the body, for

: 1328

00:49:06,750 --> 00:49:09,000

Rob

converting cholesterol, which is the

: 1329

00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,500

Rob

backbone of pregnenolone, which is the

: 1330

00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:14,416

Rob

master neurosteroid, into testosterone.

: 1331

00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,541

Rob

So by applying red and near infrared

: 1332

00:49:17,541 --> 00:49:20,166

Rob

light to the skeletal skin, you can again

: 1333

00:49:20,166 --> 00:49:22,541

Rob

activate that cytochrome seoxidase, which

: 1334

00:49:22,541 --> 00:49:25,208

Rob

then is going to near infrared light, or

: 1335

00:49:25,208 --> 00:49:26,625

Rob

not, excuse me, just the

: 1336

00:49:27,166 --> 00:49:29,416

Bryan Gohl

that's important because so there's

: 1337

00:49:29,416 --> 00:49:30,791

Bryan Gohl

there's there's actually very limited

: 1338

00:49:30,791 --> 00:49:34,083

Bryan Gohl

studies on humans and even on animals.

: 1339

00:49:35,166 --> 00:49:37,250

Bryan Gohl

But whenever they've tried near infrared

: 1340

00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:39,500

Bryan Gohl

light, they've had negative results.

: 1341

00:49:39,791 --> 00:49:40,166

Bryan Gohl

Oh, have they?

: 1342

00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:40,666

Bryan Gohl

Okay.

: 1343

00:49:40,958 --> 00:49:43,916

Bryan Gohl

Yeah, it's very important because this is

: 1344

00:49:43,916 --> 00:49:45,541

Bryan Gohl

this is one reason why I didn't tell

: 1345

00:49:45,541 --> 00:49:46,708

Bryan Gohl

anybody to do it for years.

: 1346

00:49:47,208 --> 00:49:48,916

Bryan Gohl

Even though Ben Greenfield was doing it,

: 1347

00:49:49,166 --> 00:49:50,541

Bryan Gohl

he never specified what he did.

: 1348

00:49:51,083 --> 00:49:53,291

Bryan Gohl

Paul Saledino did it and claimed an

: 1349

00:49:53,291 --> 00:49:54,291

Bryan Gohl

increase in testosterone

: 1350

00:49:54,291 --> 00:49:55,875

Bryan Gohl

never specified what he did.

: 1351

00:49:56,625 --> 00:49:58,750

Bryan Gohl

And, you know, years ago, I read that

: 1352

00:49:58,750 --> 00:50:00,208

Bryan Gohl

near infrared light was bad for

: 1353

00:50:00,208 --> 00:50:02,500

Bryan Gohl

testicles, but there was extremely

: 1354

00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:03,750

Bryan Gohl

limited information and

: 1355

00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:05,000

Bryan Gohl

it's still extremely limited.

: 1356

00:50:05,333 --> 00:50:07,750

Bryan Gohl

But all the evidence so far shows that

: 1357

00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:10,625

Bryan Gohl

red light is good for testicles, for the

: 1358

00:50:10,625 --> 00:50:12,208

Bryan Gohl

latic cells and the and they all the

: 1359

00:50:12,208 --> 00:50:14,500

Bryan Gohl

little sperm manufacturing cells, but

: 1360

00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:16,083

Bryan Gohl

near infrared light is not.

: 1361

00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:17,333

Bryan Gohl

So I always like to

: 1362

00:50:17,333 --> 00:50:18,750

Bryan Gohl

stress red light only.

: 1363

00:50:19,625 --> 00:50:20,791

Rob

Yeah, I suppose that makes sense.

: 1364

00:50:20,791 --> 00:50:22,541

Rob

Because I suppose near infrared light is

: 1365

00:50:22,541 --> 00:50:23,333

Rob

going to heat up

: 1366

00:50:23,333 --> 00:50:25,291

Rob

scrotal skin, potentially.

: 1367

00:50:25,666 --> 00:50:28,958

Rob

And then, as well, as we know, you the

: 1368

00:50:28,958 --> 00:50:32,000

Rob

testes are on the outside of male

: 1369

00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,583

Rob

physiology because they need to be cool.

: 1370

00:50:33,958 --> 00:50:35,708

Rob

So yeah, that's that's definitely

: 1371

00:50:35,708 --> 00:50:37,125

Rob

something that I've

: 1372

00:50:37,125 --> 00:50:37,791

Rob

been thinking of before.

: 1373

00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,291

Rob

So thank you for that.

: 1374

00:50:41,375 --> 00:50:43,750

Rob

Do you think that they have that that

: 1375

00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:46,000

Rob

woman can benefit from the same sex

: 1376

00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,958

Rob

hormone optimization that men can from

: 1377

00:50:48,958 --> 00:50:50,833

Rob

utilizing this sort of therapy?

: 1378

00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:54,041

Bryan Gohl

Yes, there's a lot of great studies about

: 1379

00:50:54,041 --> 00:50:57,208

Bryan Gohl

female fertility and falling pregnant

: 1380

00:50:57,416 --> 00:50:58,666

Bryan Gohl

with red light therapy.

: 1381

00:50:59,291 --> 00:51:00,875

Bryan Gohl

There was there was a study a few weeks

: 1382

00:51:00,875 --> 00:51:02,583

Bryan Gohl

ago that was trending that came out of

: 1383

00:51:02,583 --> 00:51:06,333

Bryan Gohl

Japan where they gave women, you know,

: 1384

00:51:06,833 --> 00:51:07,791

Bryan Gohl

what was the phrase?

: 1385

00:51:09,916 --> 00:51:11,125

Bryan Gohl

chronically infertile

: 1386

00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:14,166

Bryan Gohl

women that had been struggling to have

: 1387

00:51:14,166 --> 00:51:16,125

Bryan Gohl

babies for nine years and

: 1388

00:51:16,125 --> 00:51:17,708

Bryan Gohl

not not falling pregnant.

: 1389

00:51:17,708 --> 00:51:19,000

Bryan Gohl

And they did a short treatment of red

: 1390

00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,541

Bryan Gohl

light therapy, and a huge percentage of

: 1391

00:51:21,541 --> 00:51:23,208

Bryan Gohl

them fell pregnant for the first time.

: 1392

00:51:23,958 --> 00:51:25,750

Bryan Gohl

So it does it works

: 1393

00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:27,083

Bryan Gohl

fantastically well for women.

: 1394

00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,000

Bryan Gohl

There's a lot of there's a lot of things

: 1395

00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,583

Bryan Gohl

you can do, you know, you can shine it

: 1396

00:51:30,583 --> 00:51:33,375

Bryan Gohl

over the reproductive organs of the woman

: 1397

00:51:33,375 --> 00:51:34,541

Bryan Gohl

around the belly and around

: 1398

00:51:34,541 --> 00:51:35,666

Bryan Gohl

the private parts as well.

: 1399

00:51:36,083 --> 00:51:38,000

Bryan Gohl

But in the study in Japan, they actually

: 1400

00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,916

Bryan Gohl

shone the light on the sides of the neck,

: 1401

00:51:41,291 --> 00:51:42,958

Bryan Gohl

which they didn't explain

: 1402

00:51:42,958 --> 00:51:44,500

Bryan Gohl

why they decided to do that.

: 1403

00:51:45,083 --> 00:51:46,125

Bryan Gohl

Some people have said it's

: 1404

00:51:46,125 --> 00:51:47,500

Bryan Gohl

because of the vagus nerve.

: 1405

00:51:47,916 --> 00:51:48,708

Bryan Gohl

So they've helped,

: 1406

00:51:48,708 --> 00:51:50,083

Bryan Gohl

you know, calm the body.

: 1407

00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:51,541

Bryan Gohl

And that's allowed the

: 1408

00:51:51,541 --> 00:51:52,541

Bryan Gohl

body to fall pregnant.

: 1409

00:51:53,125 --> 00:51:55,291

Bryan Gohl

Other people say it was an increase of

: 1410

00:51:55,291 --> 00:51:57,791

Bryan Gohl

blood flow going to and from the head,

: 1411

00:51:58,208 --> 00:51:59,541

Bryan Gohl

which helped, you know,

: 1412

00:51:59,541 --> 00:52:00,625

Bryan Gohl

the ladies fall pregnant.

: 1413

00:52:01,708 --> 00:52:04,500

Bryan Gohl

So that's an example of, you know, how

: 1414

00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:05,875

Bryan Gohl

women can support their

: 1415

00:52:05,875 --> 00:52:07,250

Bryan Gohl

fertility hormones, at least.

: 1416

00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:09,458

Bryan Gohl

And then for both the sexes, it's huge

: 1417

00:52:09,458 --> 00:52:12,250

Bryan Gohl

for the feel good hormones, mood,

: 1418

00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:13,791

Bryan Gohl

depression, motivation,

: 1419

00:52:14,541 --> 00:52:15,750

Bryan Gohl

energy, things like that.

: 1420

00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:21,458

Bryan Gohl

But it's actually not 100% clear why, or

: 1421

00:52:21,458 --> 00:52:22,750

Bryan Gohl

what's happening, you know, there's the

: 1422

00:52:22,750 --> 00:52:25,875

Bryan Gohl

hypothesis about, you know, bright light

: 1423

00:52:25,875 --> 00:52:28,458

Bryan Gohl

treatment to the face is really good for

: 1424

00:52:28,458 --> 00:52:29,333

Bryan Gohl

mood enhancement,

: 1425

00:52:29,666 --> 00:52:30,833

Bryan Gohl

which, you know, does work.

: 1426

00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000

Bryan Gohl

Bright light treatment to the chest has

: 1427

00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:34,875

Bryan Gohl

been shown to be really

: 1428

00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:35,791

Bryan Gohl

good for testosterone.

: 1429

00:52:36,791 --> 00:52:39,000

Bryan Gohl

Red light therapy is bright enough to be

: 1430

00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,000

Bryan Gohl

considered bright light.

: 1431

00:52:41,166 --> 00:52:43,708

Bryan Gohl

And the infrared light is, you know,

: 1432

00:52:43,708 --> 00:52:45,750

Bryan Gohl

penetrates deep enough to optimize

: 1433

00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:46,875

Bryan Gohl

hormonal production.

: 1434

00:52:47,083 --> 00:52:48,875

Bryan Gohl

So there's, there's definitely a few

: 1435

00:52:48,875 --> 00:52:50,791

Bryan Gohl

little hypotheses going on.

: 1436

00:52:51,291 --> 00:52:52,666

Bryan Gohl

But one thing we do know is it

: 1437

00:52:52,666 --> 00:52:55,041

Bryan Gohl

consistently has been shown to help with,

: 1438

00:52:55,041 --> 00:52:56,666

Bryan Gohl

you know, all sorts of hormones,

: 1439

00:52:57,333 --> 00:52:58,458

Bryan Gohl

production, fertility,

: 1440

00:52:58,708 --> 00:53:01,666

Bryan Gohl

thyroid, you know, mood, testosterone.

: 1441

00:53:02,833 --> 00:53:04,916

Rob

Yeah, again, it's, if I was just to sort

: 1442

00:53:04,916 --> 00:53:06,500

Rob

of speculate, I would say that it's

: 1443

00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:07,708

Rob

probably got to do with a

: 1444

00:53:07,708 --> 00:53:09,041

Rob

lot of thyroid function too.

: 1445

00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,458

Rob

Because the moment you're in any sort of

: 1446

00:53:11,458 --> 00:53:13,041

Rob

hyperthyroid state, you're going to have

: 1447

00:53:13,041 --> 00:53:15,916

Rob

a very down regulated

: 1448

00:53:17,875 --> 00:53:19,833

Rob

ability to, to, well,

: 1449

00:53:19,833 --> 00:53:21,250

Rob

regulate sex hormones at all.

: 1450

00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:24,750

Rob

And you're going to have an inability for

: 1451

00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:28,583

Rob

your mitochondria to produce, to produce

: 1452

00:53:28,583 --> 00:53:29,458

Rob

these hormones, which is

: 1453

00:53:29,458 --> 00:53:31,583

Rob

where they are, again, produced.

: 1454

00:53:32,208 --> 00:53:38,166

Rob

So yeah, I would, yeah, really put my, my

: 1455

00:53:38,166 --> 00:53:39,333

Rob

money on improved

: 1456

00:53:39,333 --> 00:53:40,750

Rob

thyroid function to where I,

: 1457

00:53:41,833 --> 00:53:44,250

Rob

excuse me, put my money on improved

: 1458

00:53:44,250 --> 00:53:45,791

Rob

thyroid function, sort of

: 1459

00:53:45,791 --> 00:53:46,833

Rob

driving a lot of these changes.

: 1460

00:53:46,916 --> 00:53:48,125

Rob

Obviously the red light and

: 1461

00:53:48,125 --> 00:53:49,208

Rob

improving thyroid function.

: 1462

00:53:51,916 --> 00:53:55,166

Rob

Brian, we've gotten through a lot today,

: 1463

00:53:55,166 --> 00:53:56,708

Rob

but I'd sort of really love it if we

: 1464

00:53:56,708 --> 00:53:58,500

Rob

could maybe also discuss some of the

: 1465

00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:01,416

Rob

adjunctive therapies that you find really

: 1466

00:54:01,416 --> 00:54:03,291

Rob

benefit red light therapy.

: 1467

00:54:04,041 --> 00:54:05,625

Rob

I know there are a bunch out there, a lot

: 1468

00:54:05,625 --> 00:54:09,291

Rob

of these so-called biohacks, but with you

: 1469

00:54:09,291 --> 00:54:10,666

Rob

being the expert, I'd love to get your

: 1470

00:54:10,666 --> 00:54:14,125

Rob

take on what you think is really sort of

: 1471

00:54:14,125 --> 00:54:15,125

Rob

a good pairing when it

: 1472

00:54:15,125 --> 00:54:16,458

Rob

comes to red light therapy.

: 1473

00:54:17,208 --> 00:54:19,708

Rob

Obviously the natural stuff is always

: 1474

00:54:19,708 --> 00:54:21,125

Rob

going to be, is always going to be great.

: 1475

00:54:21,416 --> 00:54:24,458

Rob

But yeah, just from a sort of gizmos and

: 1476

00:54:24,458 --> 00:54:26,125

Rob

gadgets standpoint, what have you found

: 1477

00:54:26,125 --> 00:54:29,750

Rob

to be a decent, what have you found to be

: 1478

00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:30,541

Rob

decent combinations?

: 1479

00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:36,125

Bryan Gohl

I'm actually of the opposite mindset and

: 1480

00:54:36,125 --> 00:54:39,958

Bryan Gohl

I, at this stage, I think it's better to

: 1481

00:54:39,958 --> 00:54:44,541

Bryan Gohl

keep things isolated because we try, it's

: 1482

00:54:44,541 --> 00:54:46,708

Bryan Gohl

natural for people like ourselves to try

: 1483

00:54:46,708 --> 00:54:48,708

Bryan Gohl

and optimize as much as we can, as quick

: 1484

00:54:48,708 --> 00:54:51,250

Bryan Gohl

as we can, and I don't

: 1485

00:54:51,250 --> 00:54:52,583

Bryan Gohl

think that's the best way to go.

: 1486

00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:55,625

Bryan Gohl

So I know there's a lot of people out

: 1487

00:54:55,625 --> 00:54:57,833

Bryan Gohl

there that are talking about either

: 1488

00:54:57,833 --> 00:55:01,750

Bryan Gohl

copper peptides for skin or green tea

: 1489

00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:04,750

Bryan Gohl

serums for skin and red light therapy.

: 1490

00:55:04,750 --> 00:55:06,833

Bryan Gohl

So either doing the red light therapy,

: 1491

00:55:06,833 --> 00:55:08,333

Bryan Gohl

then putting the special cream on

: 1492

00:55:08,333 --> 00:55:10,083

Bryan Gohl

afterwards or the special peptides on

: 1493

00:55:10,083 --> 00:55:11,833

Bryan Gohl

afterwards and getting better results.

: 1494

00:55:13,041 --> 00:55:14,166

Bryan Gohl

All I know about that

: 1495

00:55:14,166 --> 00:55:15,125

Bryan Gohl

is that it's trending.

: 1496

00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:19,583

Bryan Gohl

So I need to do a deep dive on it.

: 1497

00:55:20,041 --> 00:55:21,500

Bryan Gohl

It's just another thing that I need to

: 1498

00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:23,041

Bryan Gohl

thoroughly look into the science.

: 1499

00:55:24,250 --> 00:55:26,625

Bryan Gohl

What I'm fearful of is that once I look

: 1500

00:55:26,625 --> 00:55:28,791

Bryan Gohl

into the science, I'll see, oh, it's the

: 1501

00:55:28,791 --> 00:55:31,458

Bryan Gohl

copper peptide manufacturer that's

: 1502

00:55:31,458 --> 00:55:33,041

Bryan Gohl

studied, that's that promote, you know,

: 1503

00:55:33,041 --> 00:55:35,500

Bryan Gohl

that funded the study to find out how

: 1504

00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:37,041

Bryan Gohl

good copper peptides were.

: 1505

00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:39,375

Bryan Gohl

I might be wrong, you know,

: 1506

00:55:39,375 --> 00:55:40,500

Bryan Gohl

it'd be great if I'm wrong.

: 1507

00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:42,541

Bryan Gohl

Obviously, I'm looking to learn and to

: 1508

00:55:42,541 --> 00:55:45,458

Bryan Gohl

make sure that I'm up to date, but that's

: 1509

00:55:45,458 --> 00:55:46,500

Bryan Gohl

something I still need

: 1510

00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:47,791

Bryan Gohl

to do a deep dive on.

: 1511

00:55:47,791 --> 00:55:50,000

Bryan Gohl

I know it's trending, copper peptides and

: 1512

00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,166

Bryan Gohl

green tea serums and red light therapy.

: 1513

00:55:52,916 --> 00:55:55,625

Bryan Gohl

It makes sense why it's supposed to work,

: 1514

00:55:56,458 --> 00:55:57,875

Bryan Gohl

but I need to look into the science

: 1515

00:55:57,875 --> 00:55:59,583

Bryan Gohl

because everybody's quoting the same

: 1516

00:55:59,583 --> 00:56:01,291

Bryan Gohl

scientific resource.

: 1517

00:56:01,416 --> 00:56:02,916

Bryan Gohl

So that makes me think like, oh, there's

: 1518

00:56:02,916 --> 00:56:05,000

Bryan Gohl

only one and it was released by the

: 1519

00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:05,916

Bryan Gohl

manufacturer who's

: 1520

00:56:05,916 --> 00:56:07,000

Bryan Gohl

making the actual product.

: 1521

00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,666

Bryan Gohl

And then the other things, so methylene

: 1522

00:56:10,666 --> 00:56:12,375

Bryan Gohl

blue is trending now as well.

: 1523

00:56:13,083 --> 00:56:15,000

Bryan Gohl

I'm yet to do a deep dive on it.

: 1524

00:56:15,208 --> 00:56:17,125

Bryan Gohl

I know, you know,

: 1525

00:56:18,458 --> 00:56:20,458

Bryan Gohl

camp A says methylene blue is the best

: 1526

00:56:20,458 --> 00:56:21,208

Bryan Gohl

thing under the sun.

: 1527

00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,750

Bryan Gohl

Camp B says you shouldn't do methylene

: 1528

00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:24,541

Bryan Gohl

blue at all because

: 1529

00:56:24,541 --> 00:56:26,000

Bryan Gohl

it's a nasty chemical.

: 1530

00:56:27,041 --> 00:56:28,083

Bryan Gohl

It's something that I still

: 1531

00:56:28,083 --> 00:56:30,666

Bryan Gohl

have to dive into and find out.

: 1532

00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:35,291

Bryan Gohl

You know, I know red light therapy works

: 1533

00:56:35,291 --> 00:56:37,708

Bryan Gohl

because, you know, I've been messing

: 1534

00:56:37,708 --> 00:56:39,250

Bryan Gohl

around with it for 10 years now.

: 1535

00:56:39,250 --> 00:56:41,250

Bryan Gohl

And I've got hundreds of thousands of

: 1536

00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:43,125

Bryan Gohl

clients that know it works as well.

: 1537

00:56:43,875 --> 00:56:45,708

Bryan Gohl

So I'm just always cautious to say like,

: 1538

00:56:46,041 --> 00:56:46,625

Bryan Gohl

oh, but you've got to

: 1539

00:56:46,625 --> 00:56:47,583

Bryan Gohl

go buy the cream now.

: 1540

00:56:47,583 --> 00:56:49,083

Bryan Gohl

Just make sure you get the cream or make

: 1541

00:56:49,083 --> 00:56:50,958

Bryan Gohl

sure you get this other thing to make it

: 1542

00:56:50,958 --> 00:56:53,000

Bryan Gohl

work because it's what's it been doing

: 1543

00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:53,958

Bryan Gohl

for the last 10 years.

: 1544

00:56:54,666 --> 00:56:56,166

Bryan Gohl

But I am open to

: 1545

00:56:56,166 --> 00:56:57,083

Bryan Gohl

learning new information.

: 1546

00:56:58,125 --> 00:56:59,833

Bryan Gohl

Now, as far as combining it with other

: 1547

00:56:59,833 --> 00:57:03,666

Bryan Gohl

bio hacks like sauna and ice bath or, you

: 1548

00:57:03,666 --> 00:57:06,250

Bryan Gohl

know, fasting, things like that, I tell

: 1549

00:57:06,250 --> 00:57:09,291

Bryan Gohl

in my own life and I tell my clients, I

: 1550

00:57:09,291 --> 00:57:10,916

Bryan Gohl

think it's better to keep those separate

: 1551

00:57:10,916 --> 00:57:12,541

Bryan Gohl

because each of them

: 1552

00:57:12,541 --> 00:57:14,291

Bryan Gohl

are a hormetic stressor.

: 1553

00:57:14,750 --> 00:57:19,291

Bryan Gohl

They cause a specific cascade of hormones

: 1554

00:57:19,291 --> 00:57:21,666

Bryan Gohl

in the body and different proteins and

: 1555

00:57:21,666 --> 00:57:22,500

Bryan Gohl

enzymes or whatever.

: 1556

00:57:23,333 --> 00:57:25,500

Bryan Gohl

And if you do too many at once, or even

: 1557

00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:27,666

Bryan Gohl

if you just do two of them at once, you

: 1558

00:57:27,666 --> 00:57:30,000

Bryan Gohl

might be forcing your body to

: 1559

00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,500

Bryan Gohl

prioritize one over the other.

: 1560

00:57:32,166 --> 00:57:33,625

Bryan Gohl

So if you do your ice bath and

: 1561

00:57:33,625 --> 00:57:35,500

Bryan Gohl

immediately jump in front of a red light,

: 1562

00:57:36,083 --> 00:57:38,333

Bryan Gohl

which one is going to be doing the work?

: 1563

00:57:38,333 --> 00:57:39,000

Bryan Gohl

Which one is your

: 1564

00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,208

Bryan Gohl

body going to respond to?

: 1565

00:57:40,541 --> 00:57:42,625

Bryan Gohl

Because the benefits of the ice bath last

: 1566

00:57:42,625 --> 00:57:44,125

Bryan Gohl

for hours and hours afterwards.

: 1567

00:57:44,666 --> 00:57:46,500

Bryan Gohl

The benefits of red light therapy last

: 1568

00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:48,000

Bryan Gohl

for hours and hours afterwards.

: 1569

00:57:48,708 --> 00:57:52,250

Bryan Gohl

And it's my understanding at this stage

: 1570

00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:54,916

Bryan Gohl

that if you do too much at once, your

: 1571

00:57:54,916 --> 00:57:57,166

Bryan Gohl

body has to prioritize and it has to

: 1572

00:57:57,166 --> 00:57:58,791

Bryan Gohl

focus on one thing while all

: 1573

00:57:58,791 --> 00:58:00,375

Bryan Gohl

the others is forgotten about.

: 1574

00:58:00,375 --> 00:58:01,750

Bryan Gohl

You know, it's that a classic

: 1575

00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:03,083

Bryan Gohl

illustration is going to

: 1576

00:58:03,083 --> 00:58:04,000

Bryan Gohl

sleep on a full stomach.

: 1577

00:58:04,583 --> 00:58:06,000

Bryan Gohl

You're going to have a terrible sleep

: 1578

00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,791

Bryan Gohl

because for your body to sleep well, it

: 1579

00:58:08,791 --> 00:58:10,208

Bryan Gohl

needs to have an empty it

: 1580

00:58:10,208 --> 00:58:11,791

Bryan Gohl

needs to be doing nothing else.

: 1581

00:58:12,125 --> 00:58:14,458

Bryan Gohl

So that the sleep hormones and all the

: 1582

00:58:14,458 --> 00:58:15,958

Bryan Gohl

processes that are supposed to happen

: 1583

00:58:15,958 --> 00:58:17,000

Bryan Gohl

during sleep can happen.

: 1584

00:58:17,541 --> 00:58:19,625

Bryan Gohl

But if you go and have a big meal and

: 1585

00:58:19,625 --> 00:58:21,500

Bryan Gohl

then jump into bed, your body's like,

: 1586

00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:23,375

Bryan Gohl

well, I can't sleep until

: 1587

00:58:23,375 --> 00:58:24,541

Bryan Gohl

I've digested all this food.

: 1588

00:58:25,041 --> 00:58:26,791

Bryan Gohl

So we've got to digest for a few hours.

: 1589

00:58:27,208 --> 00:58:28,916

Bryan Gohl

And by that time, you try and then get

: 1590

00:58:28,916 --> 00:58:30,625

Bryan Gohl

your deep sleep and your REM sleep, but

: 1591

00:58:30,625 --> 00:58:31,750

Bryan Gohl

half the night is gone.

: 1592

00:58:32,375 --> 00:58:33,833

Bryan Gohl

And I think it's similar for all the

: 1593

00:58:33,833 --> 00:58:35,708

Bryan Gohl

other, you know, at least the physical

: 1594

00:58:35,708 --> 00:58:37,750

Bryan Gohl

hacks that that I know of so far.

: 1595

00:58:38,375 --> 00:58:39,208

Rob

Yeah, I'd agree with

: 1596

00:58:39,208 --> 00:58:39,916

Rob

that at a high level.

: 1597

00:58:40,583 --> 00:58:41,875

Rob

I definitely think that

: 1598

00:58:41,875 --> 00:58:43,500

Rob

people are in a bell shaped curve.

: 1599

00:58:43,916 --> 00:58:44,875

Rob

So you're going to have

: 1600

00:58:44,875 --> 00:58:46,166

Rob

outliers in either extreme.

: 1601

00:58:46,416 --> 00:58:49,333

Rob

I mean, I know if I eat too far away from

: 1602

00:58:49,333 --> 00:58:51,000

Rob

bed and if I go to bed, even slightly

: 1603

00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,916

Rob

hungry, I cannot sleep.

: 1604

00:58:53,916 --> 00:58:55,291

Rob

I get a surge in catecholines, my

: 1605

00:58:55,291 --> 00:58:57,166

Rob

cortisol goes up, no adrenaline goes up,

: 1606

00:58:57,166 --> 00:58:58,250

Rob

and that's me, I'm done.

: 1607

00:58:58,708 --> 00:59:00,833

Rob

I need to have a certain amount of food,

: 1608

00:59:00,833 --> 00:59:03,583

Rob

whether it's just sort of protein, fat,

: 1609

00:59:03,833 --> 00:59:05,791

Rob

carbohydrate, whatever, just to help sort

: 1610

00:59:05,791 --> 00:59:08,500

Rob

of satiate that those high

: 1611

00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:10,916

Rob

levels of catecholamines.

: 1612

00:59:12,333 --> 00:59:13,250

Rob

I think the thing about

: 1613

00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:14,666

Rob

methylene blue is interesting.

: 1614

00:59:15,708 --> 00:59:18,250

Rob

Again, yeah, it's going to be an electron

: 1615

00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:20,333

Rob

donor specifically, which is going to

: 1616

00:59:20,333 --> 00:59:22,000

Rob

help with that mitochondrial spin.

: 1617

00:59:22,541 --> 00:59:24,416

Rob

So then if you pair it with red light,

: 1618

00:59:24,416 --> 00:59:27,833

Rob

you're going to have increased ATP

: 1619

00:59:27,833 --> 00:59:31,000

Rob

turnover, which can be a detrimental

: 1620

00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,666

Rob

detriment as well, especially if somebody

: 1621

00:59:34,666 --> 00:59:39,333

Rob

has existing high levels of inflammation.

: 1622

00:59:39,583 --> 00:59:42,750

Rob

Because as you know, the process of

: 1623

00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,416

Rob

creating energy, oxidative

: 1624

00:59:46,416 --> 00:59:48,791

Rob

phosphorylation, creates a certain amount

: 1625

00:59:48,791 --> 00:59:51,000

Rob

of reactive oxygen species, which can

: 1626

00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,083

Rob

cause excessive oxidative stress.

: 1627

00:59:55,583 --> 01:00:00,000

Rob

So in someone who is already in a state

: 1628

01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,083

Rob

of poor mitochondrial health, these

: 1629

01:00:02,083 --> 01:00:05,041

Rob

products can be beneficial.

: 1630

01:00:05,583 --> 01:00:07,875

Rob

But when you sort of aren't necessarily

: 1631

01:00:07,875 --> 01:00:11,500

Rob

unhealthy, and you just start pairing

: 1632

01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:15,625

Rob

these and stacking these modalities, you

: 1633

01:00:15,625 --> 01:00:17,000

Rob

can end up doing yourself

: 1634

01:00:17,250 --> 01:00:18,833

Rob

a fair amount of damage.

: 1635

01:00:18,833 --> 01:00:19,958

Rob

And I know that's something that Paul

: 1636

01:00:19,958 --> 01:00:22,375

Rob

Saladinas talked about recently.

: 1637

01:00:23,708 --> 01:00:26,958

Rob

And I think people are naturally inclined

: 1638

01:00:26,958 --> 01:00:28,708

Rob

to sort of want to crank things up to 11,

: 1639

01:00:29,541 --> 01:00:31,083

Rob

and they sort of really believe in the

: 1640

01:00:31,083 --> 01:00:36,083

Rob

idea that if 1 plus 1 is great, then 1

: 1641

01:00:36,083 --> 01:00:38,541

Rob

plus 1 plus 1 must be even better.

: 1642

01:00:38,541 --> 01:00:40,583

Rob

But the body doesn't work like that.

: 1643

01:00:40,583 --> 01:00:43,500

Rob

Ultimately, you can push it to the point

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Rob

where you start to

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Rob

create more damage than not.

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Rob

And there is really too much.

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Rob

There can be too much of a good thing.

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Rob

So yeah, I think those are sage words and

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Rob

things that the audience should

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Rob

definitely listen to and sort

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Rob

of apply to their own lives.

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Rob

Because there really is a point in which

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Rob

you can overdo all of these things.

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Rob

I mean, the same thing

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Rob

applies to diet and fasting.

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Rob

Fasting is great, too much fasting is

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Rob

also detriment and can create all sorts

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Rob

of hormonal dysfunction.

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01:01:21,916 --> 01:01:23,291

Rob

I know this has been a lot of information

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Rob

for the listeners, Brian.

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Rob

So I'd love it if we could just maybe put

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Rob

it all together in a

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Rob

sort of a TLDR of sorts.

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Rob

If someone is new to red light therapy

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Rob

and just wants a 101, as it were,

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Rob

what would your advice be?

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Rob

I mean, apart from getting a red light

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Rob

therapy panel from you guys?

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Bryan Gohl

I mean, if they wanted a 101, if they

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Bryan Gohl

wanted like quick hit information,

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Bryan Gohl

my ex account is the place to go.

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Bryan Gohl

Because today, I'm actually later on

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Bryan Gohl

today, I don't know when this podcast

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Bryan Gohl

will come out, but later on today, I'm

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Bryan Gohl

publishing the top 15 FAQs I've been

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Bryan Gohl

asked for the last 10 years.

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Bryan Gohl

So if someone's brand new to red light

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Bryan Gohl

therapy, you read that post and you're

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Bryan Gohl

going to be ahead of 99% of people when

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Bryan Gohl

it comes to

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Bryan Gohl

understanding red light therapy.

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Bryan Gohl

And then all my other posts are about

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Bryan Gohl

slightly different

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Bryan Gohl

aspects of red light therapy.

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Bryan Gohl

So my intention with my ex account,

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Bryan Gohl

similar to Instagram, we've kind of lost

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Bryan Gohl

focus on Instagram a little

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01:02:28,916 --> 01:02:31,375

Bryan Gohl

bit and focus on more on ex now.

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Bryan Gohl

But it's basically my intention is that

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Bryan Gohl

it's a place where you can go and sit for

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Bryan Gohl

half an hour, scroll through my page, and

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Bryan Gohl

just you read 10 posts and you're going

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Bryan Gohl

to have more information than you would

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01:02:44,375 --> 01:02:46,500

Bryan Gohl

get from, you know, let's say five hours

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Bryan Gohl

watching YouTube videos.

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Bryan Gohl

That's if someone's interested in

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Bryan Gohl

educating themselves,

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Bryan Gohl

that's a great place to start.

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Bryan Gohl

Another good place would just be our

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Bryan Gohl

website redlightrising.com.

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Bryan Gohl

And in the bottom corner, right hand

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Bryan Gohl

corner of the screen, there's a WhatsApp

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Bryan Gohl

button, you just hit that button, send

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01:03:04,375 --> 01:03:06,625

Bryan Gohl

your questions in and questions in and

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01:03:06,625 --> 01:03:08,625

Bryan Gohl

myself or someone from the team will

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Bryan Gohl

answer all the questions there.

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Bryan Gohl

And then that's, you know, if from an

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Bryan Gohl

information standpoint,

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Bryan Gohl

that's all you're going to need.

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Bryan Gohl

Of course, you can go and

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Bryan Gohl

look on YouTube and all that.

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Bryan Gohl

But it's all the same

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Bryan Gohl

information to be honest.

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Rob

Yeah, it is.

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Rob

Thank you very much for that.

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Rob

I mean, you've already answered my last

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Rob

question now, which is

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Rob

where people can find you.

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Rob

I assume redlightrising.co.uk.

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Rob

Is that right?

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Bryan Gohl

That will work.

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Bryan Gohl

But we've recently changed

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Bryan Gohl

it to redlightrising.com.

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Bryan Gohl

Perfect.

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Bryan Gohl

So they can do that.

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Bryan Gohl

And then my Twitter is or X is actually

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Bryan Gohl

just my name, Brian

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Bryan Gohl

Gull, B-R-Y-A-N-G-O-H-L.

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Rob

Perfect.

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Rob

Well, we'll be sure to link

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Rob

all of that in the show notes.

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Rob

Brian, this has been a fascinating

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Rob

conversation and thank you for your time.

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Rob

I am grateful for it.

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Rob

And I know this discussion is going to be

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Rob

valuable to the listeners.

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Rob

So thank you very much.

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Bryan Gohl

You're most welcome.

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Bryan Gohl

Thank you for having me, Rob.