#023 Tristan Scott - EMFs, Tech & Human Biology: The Truth About Healthy Technology

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Good morning Tristan and thank you for joining us today on the podcast.

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We've had a bit of back and forth trying to find a time that works.

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I'm glad that we could finally make today happen.

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This is a conversation I've been wanting to have for a while as I've been beating this

particular drum, that being that EMFs are potentially harmful for a while now.

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And I'm excited.

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So I'm excited to have someone on the pod.

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can sort of, I can point to as being a credible source in this field.

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I know you've been pretty busy as of late, especially in the podcast circuit.

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And while a lot of people are likely familiar with you, there may be some, especially

among audience who aren't.

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So with that being said, would you just mind running us through who you are, your story

and all that good stuff?

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Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me.

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It's crazy.

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It's almost been a year since we connected in person.

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It's coming up on it.

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So time is certainly flying by.

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Yeah, so I have a background in electrical engineering.

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I went to school for that.

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I kind of graduated.

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And as I was graduating, had a profound...

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intervention in terms of my health journey.

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I had suffered one too many concussions and was dealing with post concussive syndrome and

symptoms for over a year.

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So that really sent me down a rabbit hole of trying to understand how to heal myself in a

non-traditional way in terms of not really listening from the lack of help and advice that

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I was getting from my neurologist centralized doctors.

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So went down to self-healing rabbit hole in 2018 and

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and started to implement things in my lifestyle, started to be more intentional about

sleep hygiene, stress reduction, what I was eating, how I was kind of spending time

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outside.

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So I started getting a lot better, experimenting with supplements for brain healing.

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And yeah, I got a lot better.

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went from, you know, originally being a college athlete and engineering student to not

being able to really exercise at all and had to sleep 12, 13 hours a night for over a

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year, super.

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sensitive to all stimulus to then being able to get back to kind of close to where I was

before my brain injury.

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And I became hooked.

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I became obsessed with health optimization and understanding what was really wrong with

our environment and what was wrong with our lifestyle habits so that I could personally

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become the best version of myself and then also have the people around me and, know,

eventually online and in a greater sphere of influence understand that

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that there's a lot of things you can do that costs little to no money are purely based on

lifestyle interventions to feel a lot better.

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So from, you know, 2019 onwards, I just kept learning, kept going down these rabbit holes.

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I started with food, the food system, regenerative agriculture, and a lot of the diet

piece.

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And from there, I wrote a book, half on regenerative ag and diet and food and the other

half on Bitcoin and how

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this all ties to money being kind of centralized and really being debased from a currency

perspective and value purchasing power perspective and of course everything is tied to

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business incentives and that's why

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I think that the reason or that's why this has really gone downhill in terms of a quality

of life for the individual members of society perspective.

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But from there, I realized as an electrical engineer, I had a specific advantage compared

to most people in the health space.

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And that was I had a background in physics and engineering that could better understand

the electromagnetic aspects of our biology.

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And I was really intrigued by that.

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had bought my

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first pair of blue light blocking glasses in 2018 was grounding.

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was turning my phone on airplane mode for years, but I never really dove super deep on

these topics until two, three years ago.

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And I quickly realized just how important these areas were, even more so than I had

originally anticipated.

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Like I knew circadian rhythm was massively important.

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I knew getting outside and getting connected with nature was massively important.

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But then I became really fascinated.

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with the science as to why that was the case and I

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had a unique kind of background to educate on those reasons.

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And that's kind of where I've lived the past couple of years and started my own podcast

for a bit.

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And eventually got introduced to what I'm doing now at Daylight Computer just over a year

ago.

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So the whole premise there is to actually solve or provide an alternative for what, in my

opinion, is the most pervasive environmental toxin.

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And that is our technology.

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And that's for many reasons.

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Yeah.

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You mentioned your education a few times and I think that it's especially and it's an

especially good point because I think well, I mean, this is going well very quickly go

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down the Jack Drew's rabbit hole but so many people in the biology space, myself included,

just look at things from a sort of very reductionist molecular approach.

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I look at everything through the lens of biochemistry because that's my background.

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But everyone really does, I think, miss the physics component or the quantum component,

really.

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In a second, I'd sort of really like to sort of jump into EMS, but I feel it's generally

helpful.

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And you've really alluded to this when going into tongue, excuse me, into a complex topic

to maybe break down some of these sort of first principles.

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And with your background in physics, I think that's only going to be an asset to this

conversation.

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Now I'm definitely not an engineer and last time I opened a physics textbook was probably

first year uni.

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So correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the possibly the two most important sort of topics

to cover or mention here with regards to the rest of the conversation going forward about

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EMFs and such are probably electromagnetic fields and then different types of radiation.

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So ionizing, non ionizing.

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Could you walk us through just a 101?

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as it were, to get listeners up to speed on these concepts.

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Feel free to add anything I've missed, of course, but just as sort of a prelude to the

rest of the conversation is I think we may talk about some topics that people might get

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lost in.

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Yeah, yeah, it's so important.

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I try to almost wind, know, weave this into every conversation.

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And when I do my own content or post, I try to reiterate that as well, because like you

said, you probably haven't taken a physics course since first year of uni.

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And even then that's because you were a biochem, you know, concentration or whatever STEM

major, whereas a lot, some people, especially in the U S

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have never taken a physics course in their entire lives.

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You know, it was optional for me in high school.

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I took two years of it.

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And then of course, electrical engineering is basically all physics and calculus.

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But where what's really important to grasp is the electromagnetic spectrum.

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And it is very vast and it is all light at the end of the day.

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It's all photons.

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And these photons have this unique characteristic to act as both waves and particles

individually.

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But we mostly like to

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talk about them as waves and these waves of light can be seen in a very narrow band of

that spectrum, which is the visible light that we're all familiar with the colors of the

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rainbow, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet.

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And that is just a tiny, tiny little sliver.

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And what you get from sunlight is the visible plus the ultraviolet, which is, you know,

higher energy than violet.

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and then infrared, is lower energy than red.

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And I teased a couple things right there in terms of characteristics.

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So each wave has really three fundamental characteristics of it.

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has energy, frequency, and wavelength.

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And frequency and energy are directly proportional.

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So when one goes higher, the other one is also higher, and then wavelength is inversely

proportional.

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So for example, ultraviolet

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light is the highest energy wavelengths that we're being exposed to from the Sun.

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That's it's crossing

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threshold and we can talk about ionizing versus non ionizing next, but it has enough

energy in the photons of the wave to really have a more stronger interaction with the

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molecules at the atomic subatomic particle level in our biology, the electrons

predominantly.

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And that's important because things like vitamin D synthesis, things like a cascade of

effects trigger hormonal production.

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These are all exclusive really

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ultraviolet light, but that does come at a cost.

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It's more stressful to our biology to deal with these higher energy wavelengths and that's

why you can get sunburn.

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That's why you never get ultraviolet without the rest of the spectrum and these lower

energy wavelengths, lower in frequency, lower in energy, and longer in their actual

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wavelengths like red and infrared.

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are more restorative to ourselves.

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They do things like trigger melatonin synthesis at the subcellular mitochondrial level,

which is extremely fascinating.

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was a real transcendental moment for me to realize how important sunlight was.

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And that's all in balance.

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understanding frequency, higher frequency equals higher energy.

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Understanding that wavelength is the opposite in terms of being directly proportional.

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shorter

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wavelengths is higher energy, higher frequency and then there is that threshold right at

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ultraviolet and beyond to where you get into things like x-rays and gamma rays where it

does become ionizing and ionizing really just means that it has enough energy the wave to

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completely knock an electron out of the subatomic particles level molecule is there the

orbital and it's completely ionized at that point as a molecule now the premise in the

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mainstream is that if something is non-ionizing it doesn't

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really have a biological effect.

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That's kind of what they teach you in engineering and physics and no one in STEM in terms

of physics and engineering really understands biology.

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So they don't question this.

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So there's a very siloed multi or lack of multidisciplinary approach here.

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And that's to me the biggest miss because it's evident that non-ionizing radiation can

have a biological effect even through things like

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The infrared spectrum is non-ionizing and clearly affects our biology very deeply.

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It penetrates very deep.

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But even beyond that is where you get into the spectrum of radio frequencies, for example,

are below the infrared spectrum, which means they have an even lower level of energy per

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wave, but they still, based on thousands of studies, can have a biological effect.

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The important thing to note is it's a different

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biological effect.

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is not direct electron excitation.

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It is not really direct electron interactions.

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It's something else.

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And that is important to note because that is where the crux really is in terms of people

acknowledging that these things are potentially harmful.

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But as you go down the electromagnetic spectrum in terms of frequency and energy, you go

down the radio frequency communication spectrum, which is in the gigahertz range

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frequency so let's use your Wi-Fi for example is 2.4 gigahertz that means that wave is

oscillating at 2.4 billion times a second and that's that's quite a lot right but we just

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mentioned sunlight and colors like blue light blue light is oscillating at

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you know, in the hundreds and all colors, in the hundreds of terahertz, so hundreds of

trillions of times per second is the colors of the rainbow are oscillating, and that is

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drastically higher than the radio frequency range.

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But the radio frequency range is very vast as well, and the military and other satellite

communications make up this band.

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What's important to understand about the radio frequency band

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is that almost none of it, maybe a tiny little sliver.

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existed before we invented technology.

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So it's completely alien to us.

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And that is where a lot of this research is pointing to it mostly acting as a biological

stressor causing interference at the cellular level causing biological confusion, really.

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And then you can keep going down to lower and lower frequencies and you get to kind of

where our power, our electrical power is operating at.

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And that is 50 Hertz for those in the UK.

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60 Hertz for those in the US and that means it's straight up 50 or 60 wave oscillations

per second which is you know

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orders of magnitude lower than say Wi-Fi and thus has an extremely long wavelength.

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So we're talking I think kilometers long wavelength at that point to where it actually can

travel very far distances without being impeded.

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And that's why they use, you know, low frequency for things like submarine communication

and can go through water.

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And it's important to note that as well, all these electromagnetic waves,

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have two field components to them.

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So the electromagnetic fields, you know, is the nomenclature used to describe EMFs.

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That's what it stands for.

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And what that means is each electromagnetic wave, it has both a magnetic field component

and then an electric field component.

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And those are kind of oscillating 90 degrees apart from each other, but in phase, it's

part of the same greater wave.

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And at these lower frequencies, they tend

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to have more isolated of an effect, like the electric field component versus the magnetic

field component is more isolated in terms of how it's affecting our biology, whereas at

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light, visible light wavelengths and radio frequency wavelengths, they're oscillating at

such a high frequency, they're kind of almost understood and measured to be working all as

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one unit because it's such a high frequency of oscillation.

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So that's kind of the basic overview and what's really important to take away is that the

electromagnetic spectrum is very vast.

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Most of it has been manufactured by man.

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What we would naturally be exposed to on the earth pre any technology would be the solar

spectrum which is in this terahertz

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hundreds of nanometers range in terms of frequency and wavelength, the ultraviolet, the

infrared.

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We have the Earth's natural native magnetic field, which is due to the molten iron core of

the Earth having these moving iron charges.

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Moving charges is what generates a magnetic field in nature.

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And that results in a static magnetic field.

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So we're talking about like direct current static.

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There's no frequency oscillations, but it also

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has some very

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low frequency pulsations that occur.

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We're talking about an electric field and then Schumann's resonance phenomenon people may

have heard of, which is the Earth's natural resonance as a result of natural

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electromagnetic waves resonating in the atmospheric cavity that exists.

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And that's happening at low frequency ranges as well, seven to 10 Hertz first harmonic.

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So we're talking about predominantly

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low frequency and then solar spectrum is what we would naturally be exposed to and now we

have kind of filled in the entire electromagnetic spectrum with radio frequency microwave

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exposures which microwaves and radio frequencies often operate at the same frequency band

they just have different

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They're a different form of communication, so they're called different names, but really

they are similar frequencies.

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And another thing that I've kind of been harping on more so is that it's not always just

about the frequency.

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The important thing is to understand how that wave...

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is really functioning, what's the purpose of it?

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And in order to use an electromagnetic wave for communication, we have to modulate it and

engineer it very heavily in order to carry data transmission.

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So that is something that research has also pointed to and that's potentially even more

concerning than the actual frequency itself, is how we're altering the wave in order to

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carry data transmission so that we can use telecommunications.

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Communications effectively because in nature there is no such thing as a highly pulsed

highly modulated wave It's it's continuous sunlight is continuous and all the information

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is carried in the photons and the energy and momentum of the wave itself and as opposed to

actually carrying binary digital information like That occurs with radio frequency

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transmissions.

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So that's

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a lot, I know, but I think high level understanding these different areas of the

electromagnetic spectrum, understanding they're all theoretically the same thing, photons,

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electromagnetic waves, they just have different characteristics in terms of energy,

frequency, and wavelength, and then how these man-made sources are far different from the

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native sources.

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It's not all EMFs are not bad, all light is not bad, it's just what is the source?

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What is the context?

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And most importantly, what are we designed as humans to take as an input signal to our

biology?

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And as an engineer, you you don't think about this as much if you're not an engineer, but

to me, everything is an input signal, whether it's the food we eat, the water we drink,

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the air we breathe, the electromagnetic inputs to me are, if maybe the most important,

because we're exposed to them 24, 7, 365 days a year.

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They're always present and they're really driving function at the lowest level.

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And you talk about biochemistry and, you know, like bonding and everything is really

contingent on like electron interactions.

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And we use electromagnetic fields for communication and executing cellular functions at

the lowest level.

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So to me,

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The other main takeaway is to just acknowledge that we are electromagnetic beings at the

lowest level.

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So our electromagnetic environment is of the utmost importance.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so podcast done.

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Thanks.

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No, that was amazing.

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And I'll definitely be relisting that myself.

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There was a lot there.

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But it's, like I mentioned earlier, it really is important.

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I think when we're talking about this subject in particular for people to have a grasp of

the fundamentals.

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So thank you.

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Yeah, that was that was perfect.

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I think a great place to sort of get into next would be would be EMS.

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But for those sorts of

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more interest in this topic.

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think a great starting point of further reading would be the Body Electric by Robert

O'Bekker.

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I think that's probably one of the the the the best sorts of comprehensive texts in the

space.

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Cool.

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It's a bit complex, so I would almost say that's like a third or a fourth book.

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I'm not gonna lie.

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There is...

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If you're not, even for me, I remember reading that for the first time.

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was like, whoa, this is a lot here that's going on.

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It's incredible.

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It's very eye opening.

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I think everyone should read the invisible rainbow first because that's like super high

level correlative.

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Arthur Furstenberg, the author actually just passed away a couple of weeks ago.

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Great guy.

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He's not like an engineer or scientist, so he keeps it really digestible.

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And then going deep

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with like Andrew Marino and then eventually getting Robert O'Becker actually has another

book called Cross Currents that almost no one reads.

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I think it's easier to read actually than Body Electric because it's less specific and

kind of high level but there's so many good ones.

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James Oshman, Energy Medicine, there's older books that have really been suppressed like

Zapping of America and

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There's a few others.

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Dirty Electricity from Sam Milham.

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They all have their own angles, but there's a lot out there.

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Most of them are very old, which is funny because this is not a new debate.

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This is actually one that's existed for 50, 60 years.

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that's perfect.

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Okay, so what I'll do is after this, maybe we can get a list of those and just I can throw

them in the show notes.

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I know we've got us, we have got a slight cap on today's time.

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So I just love to move forwards and maybe sort of jump straight into into EMFs and why

they potentially are the the issue that the issue that they are I know it's controversial

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and there's a lot on both sides.

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but sort of just diving straight into it.

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Obviously, I have a fairly surface level understanding of why these electromagnetic

frequencies are harmful.

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And at a high level, they alter the way calcium moves in and out of cells, something to do

with, I believe, around a concept with what is called a voltage gated calcium channel.

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Why is it tongue twisted, that one?

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But beyond that, I'll admit I'm fairly clueless.

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So for both myself and the listeners, could you maybe just again, run through how these

artificial fields, especially the EMFs and maybe dirty electricity as well, if you have

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time, are really affecting our biology and in a negative way.

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Yeah, and there's a lot of research that exists.

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There's a lot of hypotheses.

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You know, the voltage gated calcium channel is popularized by Dr.

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Martin Powell and has yet to be refuted is a great example, I think.

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But we don't need to go through every potential like at the cellular level because again,

what's important to understand here is that

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Fundamentally, our body is electromagnetic at the lowest level, so it's using

electron-photon interactions.

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It's using electromagnetic fields to execute functions.

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You can look at the mitochondria themselves, what they even are, to drive home this point

that we are using the energy from electrons to pump protons into a gradient to create a

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difference in potential in protons.

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proton energy, is proton voltage, to then subsequently drive a nanomotor, the ATP

synthase, to produce ATP.

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and water and that really is the most like electromagnetic thing that occurs and when that

motor is spinning because it's a rotational motion it has moving charge flowing through it

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it's actually generating its own magnetic field and that magnetic field is attracting the

final electron acceptor in complex four of the electron transport chain oxygen because

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it's paramagnetic so that that whole process i just described is

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electromagnetic.

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We have these voltage-gated ion channels that have very sensitive voltage sensors that can

be triggered by very low intensity fields.

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So that is the whole voltage-gated calcium channel effect and that has the ability to have

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Calcium efflux into the cell which can increase reactive oxygen species to you know,

really a level that's not meant to be there but reactive oxygen species at a high level

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are very Electromagnetic because they're they're free radicals.

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They are looking for an electron to fill their their valence shell and be more stable

again And when they are in that reactive state, they're very paramagnetic as well.

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So they're very

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sensitive to magnetic fields and this is where the whole hypothesis of radical pair

mechanism comes in to play if anyone has delved down the rabbit hole of magneto reception

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and how all species are able to circumnavigate the earth to some capacity

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in regards to sensing the Earth's natural magnetic field and how that occurs.

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And there's some fascinating research there that's kind of showing that even weak, very

weak magnetic field, so a key component to understand is the Earth's natural magnetic

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field is very weak in intensity.

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And what researchers can't figure out,

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the whole debate is how are these weak magnetic fields, these weak EMFs actually affecting

our biology because the research shows that it does and sometimes it's a nonlinear dose

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dependent response to where a slightly weaker field can actually have a greater biological

effect.

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And a big potential reason for that is this radical pair mechanism and how we use

reactivate oxygen species to

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drive cellular communication, how the mitochondria are really a hub for cellular

communication.

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And you get into the whole conversation of why taking antioxidants as supplements is

somewhat foolish because then you're, you're blunting your own cellular communication.

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So for me at a higher level, that was kind of delving into some examples and case studies

in terms of ion channels and the mitochondrial membrane and radical pairs and free

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radicals.

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But at a high level, if we're using

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electromagnetic fields, charged particles to communicate, to drive biological functions at

the cellular level.

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And we all of a sudden have this very alien environment electromagnetically.

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We call that in engineering electromagnetic interference.

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And there is specific definitions to where it depends on the frequencies and the phase of

the waves.

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But at a high level,

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electromagnetic interference to me is what's going on at the cellular level biologically

because our body is getting confused in terms of the input signal.

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It's executing functions, it's releasing molecules, it's alternating radical response

because of this non-native electromagnetic environment and thus.

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doing things incorrectly.

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It is causing biological chaos at the cellular level, which is really, you know,

inflammation.

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And I think that's kind of the main downstream response of electromagnetic fields.

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And if you look at the studies, a lot of them that exist, they just say that

electromagnetic fields...

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are stressors and they cause oxidative stress and oxidative stress is this imbalance of

know redox and reactive oxygen species getting out of control and really executing the

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wrong functions so I think electromagnetic fields are

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inducing interference at the lowest level of our biology.

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And that's causing, you know, downstream cellular damage and inflammation because of that.

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And you could also call that another term in engineering we use is quantifying the input

signals or the quality of communication of a system really is known as the signal to noise

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ratio.

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And what you want in a system is to have a high signal to noise ratio.

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and the signal is the input signals that you want that are important that are driving the

functions of the system properly.

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And when you have noise on the line or that's radio frequencies, whether it's dirty

electricity, whether that's power magnetic fields, you are going to distort the signal

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that you want to receive that's driving biological functions for optimal health.

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And that's to me where we live right now.

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We live in an environment that has a very low signal to noise ratio.

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And that is because we are just consuming so many alien electromagnetic inputs.

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You can add in the artificial light to that conversation, which is then driving circadian

rhythm to be dysfunctional.

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And if you have a timing of a system that is off, then everything is going to be off.

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And it's not just

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visible light that drives circadian rhythms.

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Many researchers and studies have shown that the Earth's natural magnetic field is also

extremely important to drive a proper functioning circadian rhythm.

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So all of a sudden we have all of these alien low frequency magnetic field exposures and

almost

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no one is connected to the earth physically anymore, so we have a very weak or very low

signal to noise ratio in terms of the earth's natural magnetic field, which is causing a

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negative effect on our circadian rhythms and timing biologically as well.

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So those are a few examples that I would give in terms of how it's affecting our biology,

and to me, we don't know.

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everything we have just scratched the surface of researching electromagnetism in our

biology.

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Actually, a lot of this research has been done years and years ago and it's now like kind

of bringing it back to what should be researched again or reopened.

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But for me,

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Those are kind of the key concepts.

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And if you understand that the mitochondria are kind of the most important aspect of our

biology, and you see that the most mitochondrial dense tissue, the eyes, the brain, the

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heart, are really the most affected in modern chronic.

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inflammatory environments.

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It's because they're the most electromagnetically driven.

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They're the most energy dense areas of our body.

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And I think EMFs and artificial electromagnetic exposures are driving that.

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And you can get down to the nitty gritty of how sperm function or how your heart is

actually functioning at the lowest level, or you can keep it kind of high level.

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And even higher level is

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Hey, we use an electrocardiogram to measure heart activity.

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We use an electroencephalogram to measure brain activity.

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We use an MRI to find tumors and torn ACLs.

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So there's a lot of acknowledgement that electromagnetism is driving our biology, but

there's no acknowledgement that the electromagnetic environment around us is negatively

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affecting us.

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Yeah, no, it's you touched on so much then.

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And again, I wish we had all day to go through this.

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Ultimately, I think it's it ties in very much into something which is which I'm very

interested in, which is the cell danger response, and specifically how when threatened

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mitochondria become at a very high level less effective at creating ATP, creating energy.

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And oftentimes, I

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Well, I know that most practitioners, most people suffering or struggling with a specific

health concern will look at every conceivable possibility for why that cell danger

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response is heightened, why those mitochondria aren't functioning properly.

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So people look at toxins, people look at potential infections, you name it, a poor

micronutrient or a macronutrient ratio.

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But yeah, I think it's especially as we have become a more technologically sort of evolved

society, I think that well, I firmly believe anyway, and I'm obviously speculating that

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these non native EMFs really are driving that cell dendrosponse as well and driving this

mitochondrial dysfunction, which at its core, I believe anyway, is what is primarily

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responsible for for most disease.

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at the end of the day, there's, there are different triggers, there are different reasons

for this happening.

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But yeah, that's ultimately it.

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When your mitochondria don't function, they don't produce enough energy cells don't divide

properly, they don't reproduce properly.

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And then you end up with and they don't communicate properly, which is something you

alluded to several times.

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Anyway, moving on.

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Yeah, no, I'd love to sort of

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Yeah, get your take on maybe what the most...

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objectively the most common sources of these EMFs that people can sort of look at as being

potential triggers.

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Obviously you have your your Wi-Fi routers and your mobile phones but what about things

like dirty electricity and do you think that's as much of an issue as well?

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Yeah, great points.

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And the CDR is so important as well.

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think another thing to drive home for people just before moving on is that when you're in

this electromagnetic environment that is negatively affecting your biology, it's inducing

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a cell danger response.

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It's basically keeping your nervous system in this sympathetic dominant state.

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So you're always on edge.

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You're always in fight or flight.

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You're always in cell danger response.

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And that is extremely taxing on your body.

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It's energetically draining.

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You wonder why everyone has chronic fatigue and needs all these stimulants to make it

through the day and then you wonder why chronic disease proliferates is because the main

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takeaway of cell danger response and I love that work at the mitochondrial level is that

you cannot heal when you are in CDR.

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Your body is not resilient when you are in CDR.

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You need to get your body to a point where it can actually take a deep breath, be in a

parasympathetic state and

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execute functions to handle the toxic load because we can handle toxic exposures.

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And that's where people are always like, modern biohackers are idiots.

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My grandpa lived to 110 smoking cigarettes and drinking whiskey every day.

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Yeah.

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But then your grandpa was also working outside.

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He grew up in an environment that had minimal non-native EMF exposure, minimal artificial

light.

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They still use incandescents.

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So they still were able to go through

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the healing cycle and have Restoration at nighttime, especially and that's where we're

disrupting our sleep.

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We're staying in CDR We're never repairing cellular damage anymore So it's catching up to

us far faster and to me the electromagnetic pollution is a large reason for that So

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getting into the exposures of what you can do That's a great transition because I think

you should prioritize your sleep environment of the

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upmost importance because that's something you can actually control.

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So the unfortunate thing about electromagnetism in the fields and the waves we're exposed

to is that a lot of it you can't control.

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A lot of it you just need to use technology, right?

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And technology is great.

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We're doing this podcast because of technology on other sides of the planet.

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It's incredible.

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But in real time too.

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But and we have jobs, but you can't really always optimize for that.

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can put distance between yourself and the technology.

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That's the most important thing you can do on a day-to-day real-time way is using distance

as your best friend because inverse square law states that when you double the distance

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between you and the source of the EMFs, then you will reduce the field intensity by that

distance squared.

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So that's your best friend.

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During the day, try not to hold it next to your brain, on your body, your phone is really

the largest source of EMFs by far.

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Yes, everything else matters, the cell phone tower, the wifi network, the outlet with

dirty electricity, but guess what you can do about that stuff?

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Not that much.

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you can really move the needle on how you hold and use your cell phone, which is the

highest power density device in terms of output signal for an RF wave.

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It's the closest to you.

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You use it the most.

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So be very intentional about how you use your phone.

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An easy one that literally anyone can do is turn off a

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cellular data communication on your phone.

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Just keep it on airplane mode and only use Wi-Fi.

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Most people walk around, they have both Wi-Fi on and they have the cellular data on.

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Nowadays, they do the same exact thing.

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You can make calls from Wi-Fi, you can send texts from Wi-Fi, even SMS.

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So you're basically pinging two different frequencies, actually not even two, because

Wi-Fi has two frequencies.

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The cellular data network has many frequencies.

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So when you are just using both networks, you're getting exposed to a multitude of

different waves and frequencies for pretty much no reason because you're only trying to

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do.

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one task.

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You're only trying to make a call or a text or search the internet.

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So for me, my phone is only off airplane mode if I am traveling and not connected to

Wi-Fi.

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If I'm at home on Wi-Fi or out of friends or at an office, I have it on airplane mode and

then I have it in Wi-Fi.

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So, and then if I'm not using it, I will turn that Wi-Fi off so it's fully in airplane

mode for walking around, having it in my pocket, etc.

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And then

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try to keep my laptop hardwired because that is a EMF exposure.

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When you hardwire your internet, you're not getting any wireless exposure.

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It's all wired through the datacom ethernet cord, which I know is really inconvenient and

most people aren't going to do.

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But that's an example of how you can use your phone more intentionally.

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And then if you can use your laptop for more functions, especially if it's hardwired,

you're going to be better off.

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But that's like simple stuff and then at nighttime, right?

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Like during the day, that's kind of the best you can do.

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At nighttime, turn your wifi off, get your phone out of your bedroom, unplug every

ungrounded piece of just decor, electronics, TV, anything in your bedroom.

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get it out of there because that is all radiating EMFs while you're sleeping, which is the

most important time period because that's when you need to be restoring and repairing your

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cells with autophagy, apoptosis, so that you can handle this toxic burden.

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I turn the circuit breaker to my bedroom off.

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That's a bit extreme, but at least you don't need the wifi on at night.

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You don't need your phone on next to your head when you sleep.

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That is not necessary.

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Being reachable at all moments of the day is really unhealthy from many different

perspectives.

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And to me, those are the biggest needles you can move is what's in your immediate

environment.

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You can't move the cell tower 200 meters away.

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You can't really change power lines.

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You can't really like fix electrical power too well in terms of your house and how it's

set up.

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it, yeah.

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but you can put distance between you and the source and you can turn things off at night.

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Yeah.

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Just quickly, you've got about 15 minutes, is that right?

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Cool.

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I just want to know where we can go from here.

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Okay, Luke, obviously you will, we'll cut this out.

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Okay.

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Yeah, thanks.

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Those are perfect, simple takeaways that I think most people can do.

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And I know a lot of them sound convenient and I know a lot of them can be a pain, but if

your health is important to you, then they aren't sacrifices that really are.

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that much to ask.

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mean, you can also hardwire your phone into your computer.

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You can buy a pretty simple and cheap USB to ethnic adapter off Amazon for pretty much any

phone.

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And then you can hardwire that into your computer and utilize your internet connection for

your phone as well.

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So there are easy ways and they are...

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you adapt them quite quickly.

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At least that's been my experience.

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It doesn't take long to sort of just chain, make these small habits and changes, I should

say, and then you do adapt them quite quickly.

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Yeah, I'd love to now sort of get into your work with daylight, Tristan, something that I

know

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You really sort of got into, as you mentioned about a year and a half ago, I think it was

around the time we met at Hoss last year.

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Can you sort of briefly explain to everybody what Daylight's about, your involvement and

why it's such an exciting project?

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Yeah, my involvement, I'm head of operations and marketing now.

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So spending all my waking energy into this mission because I think it's the most important

company in the world to succeed because I think technology is the largest unaddressed

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toxin in our environment.

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And that's a result of the light, the EMFs that they emit.

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The fact that they keep us indoors away from the right input signals that are

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biology needs, the fact that they're designed to be addictive, and the fact that we're

using them more and more each passing year at a younger and younger age.

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And children, that's where I'm most concerned because they are the most sensitive to these

electromagnetic inputs, like five, 10, potentially 100 times more sensitive depending on

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their age and body size to a full grown adult.

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And that's the real tragedy.

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That's the real science experiment here that we are kind of on an uncharted path for.

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to finding out what the repercussions of that are.

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So yeah, our mission at Daylight is very simple.

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How do we build healthier technology to once again bring out human flourishing instead of

detracting from the human experience?

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How do we design technology to just be a tool so you can be productive, so you can get

work done that's more synergistic with our natural environments that also bring out the

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best?

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in humanity because the current devices are designed to keep us on screen longer and

they're no longer just tools.

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They are really kind of highly thought through products to keep you sucked into an

artificial reality and keep you away from the actual reality that we're meant to live in.

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And this is very dangerous.

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for us, you know, we

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Invented a new display technology that enables this mission We have a tablet the daily

computer one is our first product came out last May and it has a very fast refresh e-paper

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electronic paper display technology that we call live paper so imagine your Kindle can all

of a sudden do everything that an iPad can do or a advanced Android tablet the

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breakthrough is the display technology to where you can get this very fast snappy analog

feel of digital paper that is reflective at its core.

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It can be brought outside.

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It looks better in sunlight, has extremely long battery life.

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And then in a low light nighttime environment, we custom made a backlight to be 100 % blue

light free and also flicker free.

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So you can look at the device before bed.

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without disrupting your circadian rhythm to such a high degree without straining your eyes

because flicker is one of the worst kind of characteristics of light coming from devices

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and artificial sources that a lot of people aren't aware about.

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And it's absolutely unnecessary.

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And we got rid of that.

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And it's just about.

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allowing people to be more intentional with their time spent on devices so that they can

just be productive, look up what they need to, send the message that they need to, get the

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work done that they need to without all of a sudden be distracted, spend more time on

there.

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So we designed this to be somewhat boring.

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We designed it to be somewhat easy to just hop on and hop off so that you can spend the

rest of your time

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with real people in real environments for real fulfillment.

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So yeah, that's kind of what we're doing and it's really exciting.

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Early support has been incredible and we're just getting started.

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Yeah, no, it's an amazing product.

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I had the opportunity to play around with it at Haas last year again.

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And yeah, I'm sold.

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Definitely got to pull the trigger on one and I will do shortly, I promise.

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Tristan, again, I want to be aware of time, but do you mind if we just end off with a few

rapid fire questions?

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Cool.

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Let's start with PMF devices.

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What are your thoughts here?

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We've had a whole discussion about electromagnetism, so I'd be interested to get your

thoughts.

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You

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I'm gonna say this as a blanket statement.

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We don't really know that much about how electromagnetic fields are affecting our biology.

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There is certainly potential for a hormetic response in low dose amounts, just like other

stressors biologically.

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A lot of the research on EMFs, RFs, power frequencies, the negative repercussions are

coming from chronic levels of exposure, chronic durations of exposure, I should say.

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So 24 hours, 36 hours, 72, multiple weeks, 10 hours a day for a couple of weeks, that sort

of type of exposure.

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PEMFs and other hormetic responses are much shorter in duration.

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So potentially they could have biological effects that are positive.

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However, I'll be very wary of that because I've not discussed something that is really

important to understand is that magnetic fields, electromagnetic fields, they are

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extremely complex.

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They not only have a frequency, they have an intensity, they have a directionality and

they interact with each

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other to form resonance phenomenon and with molecules in our biology as well in resonance

phenomenon.

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So your environment, how your alien EMF environment is interacting with the Earth's

magnetic field in your exact location could

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induce a different response depending exactly where you are and what that environment is

like.

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So me and you, although you're at a further north latitude, I'm in North America, we have

different magnetic field exposures right now.

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We're not getting exposed to the same earth's magnetic field and it's different time.

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And that time of day actually changes the intensity of the earth's magnetic field as well.

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So there is way too many variables for anyone to confidently say

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this frequency in this PEMF mat does this.

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I can say that from an electromagnetic perspective pretty confidently.

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Now that doesn't mean that anecdotal evidence and kind of what they have found over years,

there are quote unquote healing frequencies for sure and a lot of them have to do with

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harmonics and resonance of molecules in our biology.

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But I would just be wary of

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people hopping on a trend and selling you something to make you better when all of the

solutions that can make you better are far more accessible and low cost if you just

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embrace nature a bit more.

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Yeah, it's the gut microbiome argument all over again.

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We don't know what we don't know.

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: 00:51:08

There's no point in playing around with it just yet, perhaps.

532

: 00:51:12

Okay, another quick one, perhaps.

533

: 00:51:14

What do you think of these newer communication protocols such as Li-Fi?

534

: 00:51:18

Do you think that those will take hold or is the tech there just a bit too complicated to

make work?

535

: 00:51:25

Yeah, I've been going down this rabbit hole.

536

: 00:51:26

so glad you asked a bit more.

537

: 00:51:28

So, Li-Fi, the premise is it's using infrared terahertz wavelengths for communication.

538

: 00:51:35

So, the premise there is infrared light is something that is not fully alien to our

biology, right?

539

: 00:51:43

Radio frequencies are.

540

: 00:51:44

We've never been exposed to 2.4 gigahertz waves until we invented them.

541

: 00:51:49

And now we're just being sprayed with them all day long.

542

: 00:51:52

Whereas infrared, we do take that in from the sun.

543

: 00:51:55

and we have for millions of years.

544

: 00:51:57

But there's a caveat and that's what I talked about earlier.

545

: 00:52:01

We still don't know what's more important, the frequency or the actual way the wave is

modulated.

546

: 00:52:08

So in order to have an infrared live fi communication, we will still have to modulate that

wave.

547

: 00:52:16

Now the thing with live fi, infrared and higher frequency communications is they have to

be far more targeted beams because they're higher frequency.

548

: 00:52:25

Same thing with 5G and talk about 5G millimeter waves and 5G.

549

: 00:52:29

They have a very narrow

550

: 00:52:31

So the Wi-Fi, let's say, in your room or my house right now is like just being sprayed

everywhere.

551

: 00:52:37

It's reflecting off walls, blah, blah.

552

: 00:52:40

Millimeter waves, the only reason they exist in downtown areas only and metropolitan

areas, which is a good thing if you don't live in a big city, is because they have a

553

: 00:52:50

horrible range.

554

: 00:52:51

They only go like 100 yards without getting...

555

: 00:52:53

Interrupted and dissipated in the atmosphere in the air.

556

: 00:52:57

So it has to be very narrow higher power density So if you think about live by even higher

frequency even more sensitive to being kind of disrupted It would have to be something

557

: 00:53:09

very narrow which could be good because imagine you have like a live by box on your

ceiling and it's just shooting at my laptop and if you were not in that

558

: 00:53:22

line of sight for that electromagnetic wave, then potentially you wouldn't get any

exposure at all.

559

: 00:53:29

So if you could set something up to where it is purely avoiding a person in terms of that

beam path, then that might be the way to go.

560

: 00:53:38

And then it doesn't matter if the modulated signal is not affecting or is affecting our

biology negatively because it's far more targeted.

561

: 00:53:46

However, how does that that works pretty well in your home?

562

: 00:53:50

I think live five, I mean,

563

: 00:53:52

daylight, we're going to investigate this for sure.

564

: 00:53:55

Because at home, that could be the solution really easily.

565

: 00:53:59

Just targeted Wi-Fi or infrared terahertz communication boxes.

566

: 00:54:04

Because I understand no one's going to hardwire the internet.

567

: 00:54:07

It's extremely inconvenient.

568

: 00:54:09

Even me, I kind of do it 90 % of the way because it's so inconvenient.

569

: 00:54:15

But if you go out into the world, that will never work because infrared terahertz waves

570

: 00:54:21

sunlight.

571

: 00:54:22

gonna work for if you're driving in the middle of nowhere or you're like on the move.

572

: 00:54:27

It's just, it's gonna be too much effort unless you're in a highly concentrated downtown

area and then you're gonna be just assaulted with these beams.

573

: 00:54:36

So that might be a bad thing, but I am bullish on investigating other modalities, other

areas of the electromagnetic spectrum for wireless technology.

574

: 00:54:47

Yeah, no, it's exciting.

575

: 00:54:49

It's something I've been diving into a lot recently as well.

576

: 00:54:53

As you mentioned, I think the biggest problem is maybe the logistical one, but hopefully

that will sort of come to pass in the next couple of years and there'll be some solutions

577

: 00:55:01

there.

578

: 00:55:01

Okay, last one, then we can ask where people can find you.

579

: 00:55:05

I'm all about getting rid of EMFs as much as possible.

580

: 00:55:12

However, these pendants and shields that are being promoted, I have very little faith in.

581

: 00:55:17

All the evidence that people proclaim to have seems to be in-house.

582

: 00:55:22

There are very few real peer-reviewed RCTs.

583

: 00:55:25

What do you think of these pendants and necklaces and doohickeys that report to block all

EMFs?

584

: 00:55:33

Yeah, they're, they're sales products.

585

: 00:55:38

They're heavily marketed products.

586

: 00:55:41

I always open the door for potential reasons that are not of this comprehension to have a

positive effect, like some very esoteric quantum phenomenon.

587

: 00:55:57

But here's, here's the classical physics fact.

588

: 00:56:01

If you have a pendant, says it's neutralizing or harmonizing EMFs.

589

: 00:56:07

Which EMFs?

590

: 00:56:08

Which part of the electromagnetic spectrum?

591

: 00:56:11

We just walked through in the beginning of this.

592

: 00:56:13

Your power is 50 hertz.

593

: 00:56:14

Your Wi-Fi is 2.4 billion hertz.

594

: 00:56:18

Your light is...

595

: 00:56:20

Trillions and hundreds of trillions of Hertz.

596

: 00:56:23

How could you harmonize all of that?

597

: 00:56:25

That's not how that works That's not how filters work in electronics.

598

: 00:56:28

That's just doesn't exist and then if it works Your phone shouldn't work because it's

harmonizing it.

599

: 00:56:36

So to me

600

: 00:56:39

there may be some side thing happening where I know some of them are like, yeah, it's

programmed with the Schumann's resonance and like that is defeating the other bad

601

: 00:56:50

resonances or the bad frequencies.

602

: 00:56:54

Would say anything that has a ton of Instagram, you know, ads and health influencers like

pushing it that is really salesy.

603

: 00:57:03

It's probably something fishy happening.

604

: 00:57:07

Things like shungite and other crystals.

605

: 00:57:10

Yeah, maybe they're helpful.

606

: 00:57:11

Maybe there is something we don't know, but guess what?

607

: 00:57:14

If you buy a $30 shungite rock and put it on your desk, what do you have to lose?

608

: 00:57:19

Nothing.

609

: 00:57:19

If you buy a thousand dollar cheese shield or

610

: 00:57:24

Layla quantum, yeah.

611

: 00:57:25

lot of money and you better be damn sure that it works but

612

: 00:57:30

I would be very skeptical.

613

: 00:57:31

All of their studies on their website are like, Robert cut his finger and he healed it 10

times faster with cheese shield device.

614

: 00:57:40

And I'm like, that's not a real study.

615

: 00:57:42

That is not like proving anything.

616

: 00:57:45

So I would love if these companies please reach out to me.

617

: 00:57:48

Please show me the physics of how your product works.

618

: 00:57:51

I would love to understand that because what we're doing at daylight is we talk about

light and how we're improving that aspect.

619

: 00:57:58

I do want to mitigate EMFs, but I can tell you it's really damn hard to do that because

they're complex and people don't understand the basic physics of waves and electromagnetic

620

: 00:58:14

fields.

621

: 00:58:15

No, they don't evidently.

622

: 00:58:18

Tristan, I know we're about to run out of time so quickly.

623

: 00:58:22

Okay, so we got through about a quarter of what I wanted to discuss today.

624

: 00:58:25

So I'm definitely gonna have to get you back on at some point.

625

: 00:58:27

I will figure that out.

626

: 00:58:29

However, where can people find you?

627

: 00:58:31

Where can people find daylight?

628

: 00:58:33

Yeah, thanks so much for having me on.

629

: 00:58:34

It's always fun riffing on EMFs.

630

: 00:58:37

And you can find me on Instagram at Tristan underscore health on Twitter at Bitcoin and

underscore beef is my handle DaylightComputer.com and we are at Daylight Co on socials.

631

: 00:58:51

And yeah.

632

: 00:58:53

Awesome.

633

: 00:58:54

Again, thank you so much for time.

634

: 00:58:55

I really appreciate this.

635

: 00:58:57

And this has been an amazing conversation.

636

: 00:59:00

Thank you very much.